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"effects and no will proved"
« on: Saturday 11 June 22 11:35 BST (UK) »
I have come across this term -  "effects and no will proved" - when searching the burials recorded in the Bishops' Transcripts for Tweedmouth (1764 - 1885 page 9). I'm assuming that the people died intestate, but would really like to have a better understanding of it.

Is there anyone who can help me to understand what this meant for the burial, the Church and the family?

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Re: "effects and no will proved"
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 11 June 22 13:50 BST (UK) »
It seems to indicate that the person who died was believed to have assets of some kind, but as far as the curate and churchwardens knew, there was no will/probate and no administration. However, I can only speculate as to why it was thought necessary to make a note of this in the register: possibly as a way of indicating that the next of kin had been advised to obtain the relevant grant, but that their failure to do so was not the curate's fault?

The entry wouldn't be anything to do with the burial, but as probate was handled by church courts, the curate may have thought it was his business to know and record such things; and as the Bishop's Transcripts were submitted to the authorities each year, this may have been his way of mentioning the situation without making a formal report about it.

You may or may not be aware of the North East Inheritance Database - an index of pre-1858 probate records for the Diocese of Durham, with links to the FamilySearch images in many cases. You can search this by name, place, date etc (in Advanced Search), so you might find it interesting to compare the entries for Tweedmouth at that time with what's in the BT. You can find it at:

http://familyrecords.dur.ac.uk/nei/data/intro.php

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Re: "effects and no will proved"
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 11 June 22 14:49 BST (UK) »
Here's the register page image: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DTY7-VK6?i=8&wc=9K59-3T5%3A13617901%2C30708101%2C30708102&cc=1309819.

These are BT's and the annotations appear to have have been added later. 
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Re: "effects and no will proved"
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 12 June 22 00:30 BST (UK) »
Terrific information! Thank you for your help.

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Re: "effects and no will proved"
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 12 June 22 09:03 BST (UK) »
I have come across this term -  "effects and no will proved" - when searching the burials recorded in the Bishops' Transcripts for Tweedmouth (1764 - 1885 page 9). I'm assuming that the people died intestate, but would really like to have a better understanding of it.

Is there anyone who can help me to understand what this meant for the burial, the Church and the family?

Thanks,
            Peter
We can really never know what the curate really meant but it may be worth considering at that time by tradition, many people left money to the church. It could be the curate was noting these people, possibly well-off members of the congregation, made no consideration to the church in their wills.
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Re: "effects and no will proved"
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 12 June 22 11:48 BST (UK) »
Thanks Guy.

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« Reply #6 on: Sunday 12 June 22 20:11 BST (UK) »
Here's the register page image: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DTY7-VK6?i=8&wc=9K59-3T5%3A13617901%2C30708101%2C30708102&cc=1309819.

If you go backward and forwards using ShaunJ's link, at the start of the book, wills weren't mentioned, and then there are several "no will proved" entries, and later switches to "WP" beside some names, which stood for Will Proved. 

Apparently it was for the benefit of the Chancellor?  Thomas Wrangham, the Curate, gives a hint of an explanation here (book page 14):
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DTB9-Z6?i=13&wc=9K59-3T5%3A13617901%2C30708101%2C30708102&cc=1309819

It doesn't really answer your question, but it might help?

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Re: "effects and no will proved"
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 12 June 22 22:59 BST (UK) »
Thanks bbart.