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Trying to Solve the DORMER/RAYMENT mystery
« on: Wednesday 15 June 22 11:57 BST (UK) »
Hi all,
My family have been trying to solve this family mystery surrounding my 3rd great grandmother ELIZABETH ELLEN ISABELLA RAYMENT.
Born JAN 1845 Bethnal Green, London Borough of Tower Hamlets, Greater London, England
Died 1 AUGUST 1878 Bethnal Green, London Borough of Tower Hamlets, Greater London, England

Her mother was ELIZABETH GREENO (GRINONEAU) who married Joseph Dormer in 1831.

In the 1841 census there is Elizabeth Rayment living with George Rayment and their children in Mape street London.

In 1851 Elizabeth Dormer (Widow), father JAMES GRINONEAU, marries George Rayment (widower) both from Sale street London where they are living in the 1951 census.

On Elizabeth Ellen's birth certificate her father is stated as George Rayment but we have no DNA throulines coming from him.

looking for much needed help:
1. Work out who the parents are of the children on the censuses.
2. What happened to Joseph Dormer during 1841-1849 (When he passed)


Mary Brown and George Rayment:

William George Rayment
18231875

James Rayment
18291881

George Rayment
1832

Mary Ann Rayment
18341893


ELIZABETH GREENO and George Rayment:
Thomas Rayment
18391897

Jane Rayment
18431926

ELIZABETH ELLEN ISABELLA RAYMENT (DORMER) >>>>>my relation
18451878


Kind Regards
Josie

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Re: Trying to Solve the DORMER/RAYMENT mystery
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 15 June 22 12:48 BST (UK) »
Sorry - wrong reply
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Re: Trying to Solve the DORMER/RAYMENT mystery
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 15 June 22 13:26 BST (UK) »

On Elizabeth Ellen's birth certificate her father is stated as George Rayment but we have no DNA throulines coming from him.



If Elizabeth Ellen was your 3 x great grandmother, then George Rayment (or whoever her father was) would be your 4 x great grandfather (obviously!)
Looking at my thrulines of 4 x great grandfathers, there are two that I am almost a 100% certain of that I have no thrulines coming from. I do have matches to descendants of these two men but they either have no trees, private trees or unlinked trees and I have confirmed our links by messaging them.
Remember thrulines is just an algorithm which matches people on your tree with those on other peoples trees and it fundamentally depends on the accuracy of the trees involved. And how accurately data on the same person is recorded on those trees.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Scott, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Trying to Solve the DORMER/RAYMENT mystery
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 15 June 22 13:31 BST (UK) »

ELIZABETH ELLEN ISABELLA RAYMENT

Did this woman marry to Charles RUSSELL in 1863, father John RAYMENT, a shoemaker?

Debra  :)


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Re: Trying to Solve the DORMER/RAYMENT mystery
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 15 June 22 13:36 BST (UK) »
As an example, my 2 x great grandfather married twice, his 3  children from his first wife seem to have a lot of living descendants "interested"  in genealogy. However too many of their trees have picked the wrong Sarah for his second wife (my 2 x great grandmother). Or rather one person picked the wrong Sarah (wrong age, wrong birthplace, wrong maiden name - how much more wrong can you be?) and the other 20 odd copied. Consequently thrulines doesn't match the Sarahs. Added to that my 2 x great grandfather has quite varying ages on censuses, so the trees vary in his birth year. Also his own father was married twice - he is product of the 2nd wife Mary, but many trees have him as the two years posthumously born son of first wife, Ann. No algorithm could sort that lot out. ;D
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Scott, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Trying to Solve the DORMER/RAYMENT mystery
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 15 June 22 13:39 BST (UK) »
Looking at GRO site for Elizabeth Rayment mmn Greeno in 1845, she doesn't have any middle names. Where did they come from?
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Scott, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Trying to Solve the DORMER/RAYMENT mystery
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 15 June 22 13:50 BST (UK) »

ELIZABETH ELLEN ISABELLA RAYMENT

Did this woman marry to Charles RUSSELL in 1863, father John RAYMENT, a shoemaker?

Debra  :)

She married as Eliza E I R
In 1871  Russell family have Elizabeth Rayment age 58 (born ca 1813 ) Bethnal Green mother-i-l living with them
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Scott, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Trying to Solve the DORMER/RAYMENT mystery
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 15 June 22 13:53 BST (UK) »
George and Elizabeth's daughter married to William SMITH in 1862 aged 17 (as RAYMOND).  She is with her parents and her own two children in 1871.

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Re: Trying to Solve the DORMER/RAYMENT mystery
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 15 June 22 14:06 BST (UK) »
Looking at deaths reg in Q3 1878 (OP says death was 1 Aug 1878), There is no Eliza / Elizabeth Smith of the right sort of age but the is an Eliza Russell age 34.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Scott, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott