brick walls

[Wulfsige]

It is interesting that the male lines of my four grandparents (Young, Gameson, Cramond, Williamson) all come up against a brick wall in the 1700s, and also that no researcher I have so far discovered (either by a  'match' on family history sites or by my own contacts) has yet penetrated beyond those four walls. Does this mean that it is unlikely that the brick walls with ever be (like Boris Johnson's 'Brexit wall') smashed through? Or is it worth hoping that somehow, somewhen, the leap across the gap to previous generations will be possible?

[softly softly]

Why don’t you put some names up on your post and rootschat members “may” find a lead. As they say “nothing ventured, nothing gained”

John

[Wulfsige]

Good thinking. Thank you.

[Wulfsige]

John Young, born 1720s, Milton Clevedon, Somerset, or nearby

John Gamson or Gameson, husband of Mary, in Llangattock in 1799

James Cramond, father of Alexander Cramond born Auchterhouse 1787

John Williamson, married 1763 to Carolina Mitchell, in Burnham Thorpe

[ciderdrinker]

Hello
You really are stuck on those four .They are tough.
John Williamson was buried 30 Aug 1816 and it gives his birth as 1738 but then it's take your pick for baptisms

The James Crammond one seems to have a wife Agnes Chambers
Son William bapt 12..9.1784 Auchterhouse
John 24.11.1786

Marriage 29 Dec 1783 at Auchterhouse to Agnes Chambers
it looks like Agnes was baptised at Auchterhouse 18.8.1781 d of James  Chambers and Rachel Downey.
She seems to have been buried 26 .12.1787 as Agnes Chambers in the Scottish fashion.

Just in case you haven't got it.

possible baptism at Mains and Strathmartin to Robert Crammond and Ann Mathew 19.7.1759

ps just found some more possible children for a James Crammond and Elizabeth Stirling at Auchterhouse

William 22.3.1770 of Dronly
Jean 26 .5 1771
John 123.11.1772

at Mains Isabel 29.1.1763 and Margaret 30.5.1768 of Bridge of Fallans



It could be a first wife or it could be your James's Dad.There is room for an older son James born before 1763


Ciderdrinker

[chrissiecruiser]

Don't give up Wulfside,

As you can see, Rootschatters are great at helping and can demolish brick walls!

I am an Aussie and was stuck on 1 side for 10 years and when brought to RC, a magic helper smashed it.
Another was a 15 year problem. I was told by library researchers here that many immigration records were destroyed. A very kind RC lady suggested looking laterally for my family to chase them via neighbours/ husbands.

Tadaaa!! Found them!!!

Keep looking.   
The family tree never ends.
Chris

[Jang]

Just came across your post - John William(son) and Caroline Mitchell are my ancestors too, through their daughter Mary who married William Oughton in 1802 in Burnham Thorpe. I haven't been able to get back any further either :-)

You might not have seen these mentions:

When Lord Nelson dug a pond, it was in the shape of HMS Victory, the ship on which he was to die in 1805 at the Battle of Trafalgar. Along with a gardener called Williamson, Nelson designed and constructed the ship-shape pond in the gardens of the Norfolk rectory where he was born in 1758.
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2003/jun/29/observercashsection.theobserver7

A memo in the Church register, written in 1907 by the Rev. Hon. J. Horatio Nelson, who at eighty-two years of age came to preach in the Church, tells how, when he was Rector of Belaugh from 1857 to 1872 he was repeatedly told, by an aged parishioner named Williamson, this story:

That he, Williamson, when a boy, used to clean the knives and boots at Burnham Thorpe Rectory, and that he also "helped dam the rivulet ... sufficiently to fill up a small portion of ground which Lord Nelson had made into the size and shape of a man of war so as its possible to float a model ship in it".
http://www.nelson-society.com/html/Five_Years_On_The_Beach.html

[Wulfsige]

Gr8! No, I hadn't come across that. I must transfer it to my family scribblings. Hitherto I have mainly concentrated in the Young side of my parents (father), not the Williamson side (mother), and even there have concentrated more on her mother (Cramond) than her father (Williamson). This should help to kick-start the Williamson line more again. Many thanks!

[Wulfsige]

You might not have seen these mentions:

When Lord Nelson dug a pond, it was in the shape of HMS Victory, the ship on which he was to die in 1805 at the Battle of Trafalgar. Along with a gardener called Williamson, Nelson designed and constructed the ship-shape pond in the gardens of the Norfolk rectory where he was born in 1758.

A memo in the Church register, written in 1907 by the Rev. Hon. J. Horatio Nelson, who at eighty-two years of age came to preach in the Church, tells how, when he was Rector of Belaugh from 1857 to 1872 he was repeatedly told, by an aged parishioner named Williamson, this story:

That he, Williamson, when a boy, used to clean the knives and boots at Burnham Thorpe Rectory, and that he also "helped dam the rivulet ... sufficiently to fill up a small portion of ground which Lord Nelson had made into the size and shape of a man of war so as its possible to float a model ship in it".

The trouble is, there are no men surnamed Williamson in Belaugh in the 1851 or 1861 census. Five miles away in Scottow is Thomas Williamson, an ag lab in 1851 and a pauper in 1861, born ca 1776 in Burnham Thorpe. This is probably the man the vicar was referring to, but he would not have been a parishioner at Belaugh. He did however live next door but one to Scottow Vicarage in 1861.

Nelson lived 1758-1805 and gained his first command in the Royal Navy in 1778, but settled in his childhood home in 1788, in reserve and on half pay. He was recalled to active service in 1793. So we may assume that the vicar’s story happened within the period 1788-93, and if the “boy” Williamson was Thomas, christened in 1777, he would have been aged from about 11 to 16. This seems to fit very well.