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Isaac and Sipora Polak (Amsterdam) - Family and Deaths
« on: Wednesday 22 June 22 20:10 BST (UK) »
Hi

Can anyone find the deaths of these two or any more children?

Isaac was born around 1836 and Sipora (as Sipora Offenbach) in around 1840.

They married in Amsterdam on 29 December 1859 and had 3 children - twins Leendert and Anna on 16 October 1863 and Levie on 25 September 1865, all Amsterdam too.

I do wonder if there are more children although, I do know what happened to Leendert, Anna and Levie so I don't need anything for them as a number of Isaac and Sipora's grandchildren and their families were murdered at Sobibor and I have been able to follow them through.

Thank you  :)
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Re: Isaac and Sipora Polak (Amsterdam) - Family and Deaths
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 23 June 22 08:25 BST (UK) »
Hiya Ruth
is this your tree - or someone elses ??
Sipora Offenbach Family Tree

https://gw.geneanet.org/gringocharly?n=offenbach&oc=&p=sipora

Gringo Charly is English - the tree owner - do you know who this is ?
oakes,liverpool..neston..backford..poulton cum spittal(bebington)middlewich,cheshire......áá sacht,helgolandá .......merrick,herefordshire adams,shropshire...tipping..ellis..á jones,garston,liverpool..hartley.dunham massey..barker. salford

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Re: Isaac and Sipora Polak (Amsterdam) - Family and Deaths
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 23 June 22 08:35 BST (UK) »
Name   Rachel Kroese
Sex   Female
Age   0
Death Date   18 Oct 1882
Death Place   Amsterdam, North Holland, Netherlands
Death Place (Original)   Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Nederland
Birthplace   Amsterdam
Marital Status   Single
Father's Name   Joseph Kroese
Father's Sex   Male
Mother's Name   Sipora Polak
Mother's Sex   Female
Event Type   Death
Joseph Kroese
Husband
Cite
.................
big stab in the dark - could Isaac have died and Sipora married Joseph Kroese - it would mean she was 42 when she gave birth to Rachel .
In reality - should the mothers name be Sipora Offenbach - this may well be another Sipora Polak ...I hope I am not confusing you ?
oakes,liverpool..neston..backford..poulton cum spittal(bebington)middlewich,cheshire......áá sacht,helgolandá .......merrick,herefordshire adams,shropshire...tipping..ellis..á jones,garston,liverpool..hartley.dunham massey..barker. salford

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Re: Isaac and Sipora Polak (Amsterdam) - Family and Deaths
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 23 June 22 10:42 BST (UK) »
Samson Isańc POLAK b 9 Jan 1880, Amsterdam
son of Isaac POLAK, 43, cigar maker and Sipora OFFENBACH
residence Rapenburgerstraat 24

#291 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-62G2-41?i=260

Update: He died in 1943
https://www.joodsmonument.nl/en/page/375987/over-samsom-isaac-polak

Update#2: His 30 Nov 1909 marriage in Antwerp:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSPR-L942-7?i=252


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Re: Isaac and Sipora Polak (Amsterdam) - Family and Deaths
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 23 June 22 11:00 BST (UK) »

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Re: Isaac and Sipora Polak (Amsterdam) - Family and Deaths
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 23 June 22 19:56 BST (UK) »
Hiya Ruth
is this your tree - or someone elses ??
Sipora Offenbach Family Tree

https://gw.geneanet.org/gringocharly?n=offenbach&oc=&p=sipora

Gringo Charly is English - the tree owner - do you know who this is ?

Hi

No thats not me and I don't know who that user is but the data that's there about Leendert matches what I have
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Re: Isaac and Sipora Polak (Amsterdam) - Family and Deaths
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 23 June 22 19:59 BST (UK) »
Name   Rachel Kroese
Sex   Female
Age   0
Death Date   18 Oct 1882
Death Place   Amsterdam, North Holland, Netherlands
Death Place (Original)   Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Nederland
Birthplace   Amsterdam
Marital Status   Single
Father's Name   Joseph Kroese
Father's Sex   Male
Mother's Name   Sipora Polak
Mother's Sex   Female
Event Type   Death
Joseph Kroese
Husband
Cite
.................
big stab in the dark - could Isaac have died and Sipora married Joseph Kroese - it would mean she was 42 when she gave birth to Rachel .
In reality - should the mothers name be Sipora Offenbach - this may well be another Sipora Polak ...I hope I am not confusing you ?

 :) No not confused  ;D.  I did think there may have been second marriage for either Isaac or Sipora but I agree with you that the lack of Offenbach does throw it a bit off.
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Re: Isaac and Sipora Polak (Amsterdam) - Family and Deaths
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 23 June 22 20:05 BST (UK) »
Death Isaac 24 feb 1907
#1667  - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9398-1YNG-2?i=1354

Death Sipora 17 Jul 1914
#4666 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9398-1TB9-H?i=2091

Hi

Thank you for both of those and for Samson.  I always forget about familysearch  :-[

I have been trawling the Joods Monument for the family but must have missed Samson.  To bo honest I have stopped counting the number of Offenbach descendants that appear on that website  as it becomes too hard to think about.  Sipora had 3 Offenbach uncles and there are barely a  handful of their descendants who made it through to the end of the war.  I have found two so far that lived through it all.
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