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Help needed to untangle ROUTLEDGE please.
« on: Wednesday 29 June 22 18:31 BST (UK) »
Asking on behalf of a friend. We are trying to sort out one James George Routledge.

James and Louisa Routledge (other spellings available!) were in St George Bloomsbury between the 1861 and 1891 censuses. I haven't found their marriage. Children who survived included James (around 1837), Augustus (1841), William (1845), Louisa (1850), Wallace (1852) + others. James's POB was Whitehaven, Cumberland; yob between 1812 - 1820; occ variously french polisher, taxidermist and songwriter (!). The GRO suggests MMN as Spark(e)s.

The only possible Whitehaven baptism I can see for James George was 1820, parents William and Margaret; a brother, William Hunter Routledge, was baptised at the same time.

There was a marriage in 1818 in St James Piccadilly between William Routledge and Margaret Hunter, both OTP. In 1841, this family seems to be in Blenheim St, St Geo Hanover Sq; William age 60, tailor; Margaret, 55; James age 20, french polisher; Augustus age 15 (can't read his job). None but Margaret born in county.

Because he's a french polisher (not a very common trade) and has a brother called Augustus, I'm inclined to think that this is the James who married Louisa, also was a french polisher and had a son called Augustus.

BUT in 1851, there are 2 possibles:
1.The family in Blenheim St; now comprising William (widow, age 73, tailor); William age 32, tailor; James age 30 french polisher; and Augusta (still male!), age 15. All now allegedly born in county, though James's POB also says "White???".  So age and occupation still fit; some question mark over POB, and apparently unmarried. (Both William and James POB is "Middlesex St James" - but the Whitehaven parish is St James so if that's all that was said, I can see how the enumerator would presume that they meant a local church).
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2. James Routledge age 33, french polisher, born in Cumberland; living at Marsden St, Somerstown, with wife Laura (not Louisa), children James (11), Augustus (8), William (6), Laura (not Louisa) 3 months. Age, occ and POB fit, wife's name wrong but sons' names correct.

So is either of these James correct? Could it be that he's been enumerated twice? How many french polishers of the same age and name from Cumberland were living in London at the same time?!

Can anyone see a marriage for him? Or help disentangle this? It's probably simple but I've got all knotted up!

TIA  :)



Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Anywhere and everywhere, also Holiland Holliland Hollyland)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
Marshall (Westmorland, Cheshire/Leicester)

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Re: Help needed to untangle ROUTLEDGE please.
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 30 June 22 02:30 BST (UK) »
The 1851 census with 'Laura' as wife, and youngest child dau. 'Laura' is an error.  Should read Louisa and GRO index confirms their youngest is Louisa, mmn Sparks.

I agree that James and Louisa never married.

In 1841 Louisa Sparkes   20   is in Lambeth, Surrey - shown as 'Ind' (Independent) not born Surrey, together with a 2 year James Sparkes who was born in Surrey.   Looks like Louisa was being supported probably by James Routledge who was still with his family.

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Re: Help needed to untangle ROUTLEDGE please.
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 30 June 22 07:30 BST (UK) »
Well, Lambeth makes sense, censuses show Lambeth as the birthplace of son Augustus too.

But what about the 1851 census? Doubly enumerated???
Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Anywhere and everywhere, also Holiland Holliland Hollyland)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
Marshall (Westmorland, Cheshire/Leicester)

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Re: Help needed to untangle ROUTLEDGE please.
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 30 June 22 12:21 BST (UK) »

But what about the 1851 census? Doubly enumerated???

Yes - perhaps his family didn't approve of Louisa and he was going back and forth between the two households.  Who can say?

Only 1 James Routledge, french polisher.

Annette

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Suffolk - Grist, Knights, Bullenthorpe, Watcham
Scotland - Spence, Horne, Cowan, Moffat
London -  Monk

Don't walk behind me, I may not lead.   Don't walk in front of me, I may not follow.   Just walk beside me and be my friend.

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Re: Help needed to untangle ROUTLEDGE please.
« Reply #4 on: Friday 01 July 22 06:51 BST (UK) »
could have married at Gretna Green
Ellam, Mills, Ellins
Firth, Wood, Muffitt
Hill, Mattinson, Nicholson
Morrey, Hudson, Limb

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Re: Help needed to untangle ROUTLEDGE please.
« Reply #5 on: Friday 01 July 22 19:55 BST (UK) »
Many thanks for the responses!
Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Anywhere and everywhere, also Holiland Holliland Hollyland)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
Marshall (Westmorland, Cheshire/Leicester)