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Irish in London during Eighteenth Century
« on: Saturday 02 July 22 14:40 BST (UK) »
Can anyone suggest where I might find birth/marriage/death records of Irish Catholics living in London during the 18th century? Not Anglican parish registers obviously, and no census yet. Probably no wills as they had no money. Would Boyds Inhabitants of London be any use? And did the Roman Catholic Church keep any proper records in that period?
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Re: Irish in London during Eighteenth Century
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 02 July 22 14:59 BST (UK) »
All marriages, between 1754 and 1837, had to be in the Church of England, in order to be valid.

See: https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/catholics/ for a research guide.
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Re: Irish in London during Eighteenth Century
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 02 July 22 18:30 BST (UK) »
Can anyone suggest where I might find birth/marriage/death records of Irish Catholics living in London during the 18th century?

A small number of 18th-century records for Catholic places of worship in London are on FindMyPast (in the databases England Roman Catholic parish baptisms/marriages/burials). The number of records is small because freedom of worship wasn’t fully granted to Catholics in England until 1791 (Catholic Relief Act).

All marriages, between 1754 and 1837, had to be in the Church of England, in order to be valid.

... but plenty of Catholic marriages took place before 1837, even though they were not recognised under English law.

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Re: Irish in London during Eighteenth Century
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 02 July 22 18:50 BST (UK) »
And did the Roman Catholic Church keep any proper records in that period?

By 18th century do you mean 1701-1799? Restrictions on Catholics in England began to be eased during the last third of the century and Catholic chapels were no longer illegal.
Some priests began keeping registers.
Burials may have been in Anglican churchyards unless there was a Catholic burial ground in an area.

Catholic Family History Society catholicfhs.online has published 2 booklets "Catholic Ancestors in London" volumes 1 & 2. Catholic FHS has a Facebook page.
Some early R.C. registers were transcribed and indexed in Catholic Record Society journals. https://www.crs.org.uk See "Record Series" for individual issues. Some contain a miscellany of articles and register transcriptions so you may have to look at contents pages.
Embassies of Catholic countries had chapels in London.

 Find My Past has R.C. registers from some dioceses.

If your Catholics were in London in 1767 they may have been included on the Returns of Papists that year. It was a census of Catholics, compiled by the Anglican curate of each parish. Returns made later in the century contain less information.
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Re: Irish in London during Eighteenth Century
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 02 July 22 18:56 BST (UK) »
Thanks for all replies, this has given me some good leads to follow up!
Luce, Steed, Carolan

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Re: Irish in London during Eighteenth Century
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 02 July 22 19:45 BST (UK) »

A small number of 18th-century records for Catholic places of worship in London are on FindMyPast (in the databases England Roman Catholic parish baptisms/marriages/burials). The number of records is small because freedom of worship wasn’t fully granted to Catholics in England until 1791 (Catholic Relief Act).


https://www.findmypast.co.uk/articles/england-roman-catholic-baptisms-parish-list
Select Southwark and Westminster dioceses for lists of parish registers & years. List for each diocese is arranged by county then by name of parish or chapel or mission.

Some background + lists of sources.
Gen Guide "Roman Catholic Registers and Records"
https://www.genguide.co.uk/source/roman-catholic-registers-and-records/
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