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Thomas Lee, Eldon
« on: Thursday 07 July 22 12:51 BST (UK) »
Hi,
Thomas Lee is never with his wife and family on census day, so the last confirmed sighting is his wedding, 12 Sept 1896 at Eldon, near Shildon, to Annie Chapman, daughter of George Chapman. Thomas was a coal miner, son of James Lee, a miner, and birth would be about 1874.

1901, 1911 and 1921 census family are in Eldon living with George Chapman. Annie Lee says married for the first 2 and widowed on the 1921. I have the birth certificate of child Walter b. 1909 Eldon, registration by his mother, and Thomas Lee is given as father.

There is a Thomas Lee, single and born 1879 in the 1901 census of Eldon, but why would he be masquerading as a younger single man in the same village?The neighbours should have known who he was!

I have also eliminated the Thomas born Broom.

any suggestions gratefully received.
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Re: Thomas Lee, Eldon
« Reply #1 on: Friday 08 July 22 12:13 BST (UK) »


I note on the 1901 census that Annie born 1871 Essex is living with her father, a widower; the following are noted as Grandchildren born Eldon.

GRO registrations below.

CHAPMAN, ALFRED       - 
GRO Reference: 1893  S Quarter in AUCKLAND  Volume 10A  Page 203

LEE, ERNEST       CHAPMAN 
GRO Reference: 1896  D Quarter in AUCKLAND  Volume 10A  Page 199

Also Hilda Lee age 1 but no registration?

In addition in 1911.

LEE, WILFRED       CHAPMAN 
GRO Reference: 1904  M Quarter in AUCKLAND  Volume 10A  Page 214

LEE, WALTER       CHAPMAN 
GRO Reference: 1909  J Quarter in AUCKLAND  Volume 10A  Page 247

The record states that Annie had 6 children and one had died, below I guess.

LEE, LILIAN       CHAPMAN 
GRO Reference: 1907  M Quarter in AUCKLAND  Volume 10A  Page 266

Looking at the census returns it looks likely that the Chapman family moved to Eldon between
1871 & 1881.

How do you know that Thomas was born about 1874?

Have you found Thomas on the 1881/1891 census returns, with his parents?

Colin
Clarke, Trickett, Orton, Lawless, Norton, Detheridge, Kirby, Goodfellow, Wagstaff, Lowe, etc.

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Re: Thomas Lee, Eldon
« Reply #2 on: Friday 08 July 22 12:40 BST (UK) »
I have the information on the children, thanks. Hilda was reg Dec 1899 Auckland.
The year of birth for Thomas comes from the marriage certificate.

The problem is, there are many Thomas's in the census, and he could have come from anywhere. There are about 30 just looking  in England in 1881 with birth 1874 +- 2 & father James, and of course he may not have been with parents in the census, or he could have made up a father, or lied about his age.
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Howe, Richardson,Thompson all DUR

William Thompson violin maker Bishop Auckland
William Thompson jun. Violin maker Leeds

Richardson in Bermondsey/East Ham, descendants of William Richardson b. 1820 Bishop Auckland

Berger, Fritsch, Ritschel, Pechanz, Funke, Endesfelder & others from Czechia

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Re: Thomas Lee, Eldon
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 09 July 22 11:17 BST (UK) »
Like yourself I have had no success finding Thomas on any census records, I followed through a few possibilities but they all went awry.

Do you have any of the children's birth registrations?

If so do they mention anything about Thomas?

Colin
 
Clarke, Trickett, Orton, Lawless, Norton, Detheridge, Kirby, Goodfellow, Wagstaff, Lowe, etc.


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Re: Thomas Lee, Eldon
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 09 July 22 11:53 BST (UK) »
Hi Colin,
I've got the certificate for the 1909 birth, just says Thomas Lee coal miner, same as at marriage. I thought, if there was any funny business, one of the later births may shed some light, but apparently not!

I knew Ernest Lee when he was an old man, but of course back then , 1970's,  I was a child and not interested in family history. Ernest's son was my mum's first cousin. He didn't know anything about the Lee's, except he knew there was some connection to Chapman!

I've tried looking for a death between 1911 and 1921, as his wife says she was a widow by then,  and nothing obviously stands out for the Auckland area either.

Although it's not my direct ancestry, it's just bugging me that he is so elusive. I suppose also Thomas may have been a middle name that he preferred to use.

I don't know if he was the Thomas Lee who , along with Henry Lee, got in a spot of bother diddling the miner's money at Etherley George Pit in around1907!!!

May have to put him on the back burner for now. I've got another elusive chap to track down :(
Bulman, DUR
Butterfield DUR & N. YKS,
Earnshaw DUR
Hopps DUR & N. YKS
Howe, Richardson,Thompson all DUR

William Thompson violin maker Bishop Auckland
William Thompson jun. Violin maker Leeds

Richardson in Bermondsey/East Ham, descendants of William Richardson b. 1820 Bishop Auckland

Berger, Fritsch, Ritschel, Pechanz, Funke, Endesfelder & others from Czechia

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Re: Thomas Lee, Eldon
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 09 July 22 16:19 BST (UK) »
Expect you've tried different spellings of Lee like Lea or Leigh  :-\ 
Hinchliffe - Huddersfield Wiltshire
Burroughs - Arlingham Glos
Pick - Frocester Glos

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Re: Thomas Lee, Eldon
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 09 July 22 17:04 BST (UK) »
yes, tried all these :). also looked at Matthew Lee living in the same village in 1901 in case related, but a dead end too. Also tried looking for a James Lee, reputed father in 1871, but too many of them to narrow it down, and he may not have been in DUR then anyway.Think I will give up.



Bulman, DUR
Butterfield DUR & N. YKS,
Earnshaw DUR
Hopps DUR & N. YKS
Howe, Richardson,Thompson all DUR

William Thompson violin maker Bishop Auckland
William Thompson jun. Violin maker Leeds

Richardson in Bermondsey/East Ham, descendants of William Richardson b. 1820 Bishop Auckland

Berger, Fritsch, Ritschel, Pechanz, Funke, Endesfelder & others from Czechia

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Re: Thomas Lee, Eldon
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 10 July 22 08:54 BST (UK) »
Who are the witnesses when they married 1896?

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Re: Thomas Lee, Eldon
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 10 July 22 09:10 BST (UK) »
Witnesses were both from the bride's family, father and a sibling, so not helpful.
Bulman, DUR
Butterfield DUR & N. YKS,
Earnshaw DUR
Hopps DUR & N. YKS
Howe, Richardson,Thompson all DUR

William Thompson violin maker Bishop Auckland
William Thompson jun. Violin maker Leeds

Richardson in Bermondsey/East Ham, descendants of William Richardson b. 1820 Bishop Auckland

Berger, Fritsch, Ritschel, Pechanz, Funke, Endesfelder & others from Czechia