Burges family tree, St Ives- dead end

[Crissynorah]

Hello

Im hoping someone can help me - Ive currently traced my family tree back to 'John Burgess born 1771, ( suspect) Married under the St Ives district in 1792 to a 'Sarah Eden' according to the Pallots marriage Index 1780-1837.

I am having trouble confirming this information, whether the spelling of names is the issue or not?

I know that John Burgess was the schoolmaster at a school in St Ives according to the 1841 census.
Based on this census I have assumed that his wifeSarah (mother to Johns children) had died as she was not registered and it seems as though he had all 4 children (Hume,8. Sarah, 11. Betsy, 16 and Mary,49) living with him at the age of 70.

I cannot confirm Sarahs existence, no birth or anything, only this Marriage index document so is hard to move on from here. Even Johns parents are illusive at this stage.

A little help woul dbe sooo apreciated atthis point. I am aware that there was a movement of registration districts when it comes to St Ives after a specific year in late 1700s/1800s.

I look forward to any response

Crissy

[Daisypetal]

Hi,

Welcome to RootsChat

I found this, which might help confirm the marriage,

https://www.rootschat.com/links/01roh/


This looks like Sarah's burial,

All Saints, St Ives
05 Nov 1826
Sarah BURGESS
Age:  54
Wife
Relative:  John,  Schoolmaster


There is a marriage for a widowed John BURGESS in 1830, could that be 49 year old Mary in his household in 1841?

Pallot's
John BURGES    W
Mary OTRIDGE    S
1830
St Ives Huntingdon


Just to make it more difficult, the 1841 census shows that John wasn't born in Huntingdonshire.

This could be his burial,

John BURGESS
All Saints, St Ives
20 Sep 1842
Age:  75


Regards,
Daisy

[Neale1961]

 A warm welcome from me too.

I notice that John and 1st wife Sarah had a son named Hume born in 1795,
 ….. then John and 2nd wife Mary had a son named Hume in 1833 (who died in 1859).
The name Hume seems to be important.
With that in mind there is a baptism for a John Hume Burgess in Wisbech 28 Feb 1763 to parents George and Ann.
George (1798) and Ann (1807) are names of children born to John and Sarah.

Marriage in Wisbech in 1762 for George BURGES (widower) and Ann HUME spinster.

Added ..
But this bapt for John Burges in 1767 is the correct John (your John), as the 1st John died in 1764.
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5817ccaee93790ec8b2a3ef9/john-burges-baptism-cambridgeshire-wisbech-1767-04-22?locale=en
Parents George Burges and Ann Hume. Interesting to note that George is a "surgeon".

[Neale1961]

It looks as if George Burgess wife #1 was Ann LUMPKIN – married 1756 in Wisbech
-   A daughter named Ann baptised in 14 June 1757, and died Apr 1758 (Leverington / Wisbech)
-   Ann, wife of George died 5 Aug 1757 (Leverington / Wisbech )

[Neale1961]

Burial for George BURGES in Leverington / Wisbech 31 May 1779 (no age recorded)

Possible baptism for George BURGESS
31 May 1727 (Haddenham Holy Trinity)
Parents Jeremiah BURGESSE and Ann BONEFIELD (married 21 Oct 1712 Haddenham)


I didn’t find a burial for Ann (Hume) BURGES. She might have married again after George died?

[Neale1961]

adding a bit more detail ....

JOHN BURGES 1st marriage to SARAH EDEN  1792 St Ives
 
Children of John BURGES and Sarah EDEN.
Baptised in the Independent Church.
•   Hume** born 5 Jan 1795, bapt 5 Mar 1795 (John’s occupation is “stay maker”)
•   George born 14 Aug 1797, bapt 15 Feb 1798 (John’s occupation is “stay maker”)
•   Ann born 15 Sep 1807, bapt 1st Oct 1807
 
Sarah (Eden) BURGESS burial 5 Nov 1826 (54 yrs)

Sarah EDEN baptism in the Independent Church, St Ives.
Born 9 Apr 1771; bapt 1st Aug 1771
Parents: William and Sarah EDEN; father’s occupation - barber


**The son Hume (born 1795) died 1872. His occupation was a baker
He married 13 Apr 1819 Conington to Mary WHITACRE
In the 1841 census Hume and wife Mary and 8 children are living in St Ives. With them is his Uncle George Burgess (a minister) born 1765 Wisbeck.

_ _ _ _


JOHN BURGESS 2nd marriage to Mary OTRIDGE 1830 St Ives
Children of John BURGESS and Mary (cannot find baptisms)
•   Betsy abt 1825? Or was she a daughter from the previous marriage.?
•   Sarah abt 1830
•   Hume abt 1833 – died 1859 age 25

[Neale1961]

Again adding more detail ……

Jeremiah BURGESSE and Ann BONEFIELD married 21 Oct 1712 Haddenham Holy Trinity (Cambs)
 (Ann BONFEILD bapt 13 mar 1693/94 Haddenham to parents John and Sarah)
 
Children of Jeremiah and Ann BURGESS baptised at Haddenham : Holy Trinity (Cambridgeshire)
•   Sary 23 Oct 1713
•   Missing baptisms?
•   Mary born?; bur 8 Nov 1723
•   Lettice 29 Apr 1722; bur 10 Sep 1723
•   Jeremy 17 Jan 1723/24; bur 30 Aug 1734
•   George 31 May 1727 – your direct ancestor, who married (1) Ann LUMPKIN and (2) Ann HUME
•   John 24 Mar 1728/29; bur 25 Apr 1729
•   John 29 July 1730
•   John 27 Sep 1732

Burial of Jeremiah BURGESS 21 Dec 1763 Haddenham : Holy Trinity

Burial of Ann, wife of Jeremiah BURGESS 27 Sept 1765 Haddenham : Holy Trinity

[trish1120]

Must comment on the excellent research there

[Crissynorah]

Blimey, sorry its taken so long to come back, ive been away.
But this has truly blown me away and is enough to make a girl well up.

some excellent research here, for sure!
words cant describe how thankful I am for your help and finding this forum!

Its been a tricky one for me to work on, i was going on my dads family tree list he made, but he passed away, so have not had anyone to help. Hed have loved to have heard even a fraction of what you have had to say!