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Interpretation of a 1300's Bache name needed
« on: Tuesday 12 July 22 09:27 BST (UK) »
In looking for the murky origins of the Bache family name (there are diverse ideas on it), I found a book written in the late 1800s, detailing the writer's research of Lapworth in Warwickshire, which includes the adjacent Tanworth and Solihull and Bentley Heath areas. 

Would anyone know what the "ate" might mean. Is it a geographical preposition? (but the remaining text has plenty of "de la" names). There are only a couple of other instances of the use of "ate"; one is "Henry ate Slou de N." I suppose it could also be an Archive Org typo...?

BTW "Thoneworth" is one of the many names Tanworth in Arden once had.

Your thoughts are welcome!

The book, if anyone is interested, is "Memorials of a Warwickshire parish : being papers mainly descriptive of the records and registers of the parish of Lapworth" https://archive.org/details/memorialsofwarwi00hudsuoft



Warwickshire: BEACH/BACHE, COX Gloucestershire: HAIL, VOYCE, TURNER, WINCHCOMBE, PREEN, Worcestershire: WEBB, CHARE, TYLER, Fife: FOWLER, JOHNSTONE, MELVILLE, Lanarkshire/Dunbartonshire: GRAHAM, CHALMERS, LANG, BISHOP, Sweden/Hamburg/London/Birmingham: HOKANSON

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Re: Interpretation of a 1300's Bache name needed
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 12 July 22 10:07 BST (UK) »
I don't think its a typo (or if it is, it's in the original book)

The author mentions various families using prefixes "de la" & "atte" (amongst others) which in later years they dropped from their family names - I wonder if "ate" is just another version of the prefix "Atte"

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Re: Interpretation of a 1300's Bache name needed
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 12 July 22 10:20 BST (UK) »
You mean this text attached Falkyrin - thanks, I missed that it might be double tt. And that the author explains it as a geographical meaning. So now I'm wondering if the "atte" is to set it apart from the French and the Irish. Would "atte" perhaps be symbolic of Belgium or Germany...? Just guessing here.

It could simply mean "at the" Beche or Baec ie valley/river bank too...



Warwickshire: BEACH/BACHE, COX Gloucestershire: HAIL, VOYCE, TURNER, WINCHCOMBE, PREEN, Worcestershire: WEBB, CHARE, TYLER, Fife: FOWLER, JOHNSTONE, MELVILLE, Lanarkshire/Dunbartonshire: GRAHAM, CHALMERS, LANG, BISHOP, Sweden/Hamburg/London/Birmingham: HOKANSON

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Re: Interpretation of a 1300's Bache name needed
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 12 July 22 10:46 BST (UK) »
Chaucer's Cantebury Tales
"For Frensh she spoke full full and fetisly, after the scole of Stratford atte Bowe"

The double "atte" appears to be "at" or "at the". The double "tt" appears extensively in "The Sussex subsidy of 1327.The rape of Lewes."

 


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Re: Interpretation of a 1300's Bache name needed
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 12 July 22 10:47 BST (UK) »
Ah. From Family Search article. I think I answered my last question  :) Thanks hanes teulu and Falkyrn for your help.
Warwickshire: BEACH/BACHE, COX Gloucestershire: HAIL, VOYCE, TURNER, WINCHCOMBE, PREEN, Worcestershire: WEBB, CHARE, TYLER, Fife: FOWLER, JOHNSTONE, MELVILLE, Lanarkshire/Dunbartonshire: GRAHAM, CHALMERS, LANG, BISHOP, Sweden/Hamburg/London/Birmingham: HOKANSON