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Offline maddys52

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Re: Where to go now?
« Reply #54 on: Wednesday 20 July 22 07:44 BST (UK) »
In 1881 George may have been resident at the Gem Street Industrial School, Birmingham.


Yes, it appears he was baptised on 9 May 1880 at Bishop Ryder, Birmingham. He was resident at the Gem St Industrial School (many boys of the School baptised at the same time). His parents Joseph (brickmaker) and Elizabeth. Still begs the question why Elizabeth called herself a widow in 1861? Perhaps they had separated and later reconciled, or maybe as Libby suggested, Joseph was incarcerated somewhere?

I wish I could find any of the family in 1851 ...

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Re: Where to go now?
« Reply #55 on: Wednesday 20 July 22 08:15 BST (UK) »
Good morning Maddys52...what a performance this is turning out to be? Thank you for your efforts I'm so grateful.
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Re: Where to go now?
« Reply #56 on: Wednesday 20 July 22 08:21 BST (UK) »
I wish I could find any of the family in 1851 ...

They can't be found in the 1851 census.
There doesn't seem to be a birth registration of the first son George, who should have been born just a few weeks or months before then (from his age on the burial record)

Perhaps those two things are connected?
They may not have been in England (or Wales) in 1851?

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Re: Where to go now?
« Reply #57 on: Wednesday 20 July 22 09:38 BST (UK) »
As an exercise I recorded all Reeves/Goodman births between 1846-1874, 16 in total.

5 are ours, Elizabeth 1847 Leics,(6 year gap) Ann maria 1853 Deepfields,(5 year gap) Mary born 1858 Leics--recorded as born Northampton on 1871 census (6 year gap) George Henry 1864 Leics (3 year gap)and Harriet 1867-68 Leics.

9 are the children of Daniel & Mary Ann Reeves born between 1857-1874.

1 is the son of George Reeves & Mary Ann.

The one unaccounted for is a Joseph Reeves born 1856 Northampton. Was the 1871 census entry a mistake for Mary (was she born in Northampton but registered in Leics ?)as it could have been Joseph was also born there.

Also re Elizabeth b 1847 I'm wondering if she was baptised twice. 1st time as Elizabeth Goodman 1.9.1847 the illegitimate daughter of Elizabeth Goodman abode Wigston St Leics, and 2nd as Elizabeth Reeves 24.11.1847 daughter of Joseph Reeves and Elizabeth occ Brickmaker abode Wheat Street

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Re: Where to go now?
« Reply #58 on: Wednesday 20 July 22 15:59 BST (UK) »
Hi John, I have just found Joseph Reeves in 1856. mmn Goodman in Northampton and a death in 1859 which would fit if that's the reason Elizabeth left Northants, and moved back to Leicester in time for 1861 census ?? Giving Joseph senior enough time to make a few more bricks and look her up again. That might account for George Henry in 1864-65.
Still looking at prisons!
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« Reply #59 on: Wednesday 20 July 22 16:04 BST (UK) »
I hope you checked on the GRO site for the death age for the Joseph Reeves who died in 1859 Northampton.

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Re: Where to go now?
« Reply #60 on: Wednesday 20 July 22 17:29 BST (UK) »
Yes John, I just had a list of Joes to check off and there's not one that fits. The death was a 46 year old. I Found 4 on the prison records and thought I'd found him but 2 were sentenced to 15 and 7 years respectively, 1 in Leicester for assault who got 6 months in 1850 (that's a possiblity) the last one was in Shropshire, a bricklayer in 1854 but there was no original document to look at, so I'm leaving that for now.
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Re: Where to go now?
« Reply #61 on: Wednesday 20 July 22 21:36 BST (UK) »
The death was a 46 year old.

Burial at St Sepulchre, Northampton, 22 May 1859
Joseph Reeves
Abode Gregory Street
Age 46 years

Seems to be in Gregory Street, All Saints, Northampton, in 1851.
Joseph Reeves, age 37, Boot Closer
Married to Elizabeth, 30
Five children
All born All Saints.
Also his mother in law, Sarah Hopper, 66
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Re: Where to go now?
« Reply #62 on: Wednesday 20 July 22 22:13 BST (UK) »
Yes I got that one, disappointing but another crossed off the list!
Ward, Bentley, Reeves, Sharpe. Everett, Rowe.
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