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Need some help with deciphering this will pls (written in 1661)
« on: Wednesday 20 July 22 13:10 BST (UK) »
Hi there,
another challenge ...
This time I can hardly read anything.  :(

It is the will of Robert Watts, who died in 1662 near Brampton. His wife was Elizabeth, one of his kids was Thomas (1617-1670). I can find Thomas and another son called Godfrey.
Which other names can you recognize? Is this a name as well: Walton Something?

Thank you !

For those who have access to findmypast:
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record/browse?id=GBPRS/STAFF/007621436/00434

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Re: Need some help with deciphering this will pls (written in 1661)
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 20 July 22 14:46 BST (UK) »
Here is another document, I can't decipher (George Watts, written in 1684)

"my Loving Daughter Gervias Shaw and Joseph ??? both of Brampton"

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Re: Need some help with deciphering this will pls (written in 1661)
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 20 July 22 14:50 BST (UK) »
Sorry folks!!! I ve mixed two docs up. Excuse me

Rob Watts, 1662
George Watts,1684


you find the document for George Watts in findmypast under
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBPRS%2FSTAFF%2F007622705%2F00317&parentid=GBPRS%2FSTAFF%2FWILLS%2F364437

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Re: Need some help with deciphering this will pls (written in 1661)
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 20 July 22 19:35 BST (UK) »
I think this might be an admon rather than a will, but would need to see more. The childrens' names are, I think, Thomas, George, James and Faith in addition to the two you have. I think Walter Littleburn(?) is an official. In the second excerpt, I think the name is Joseph Heath,

Steve
Bumstead - London, Suffolk
Plant, Woolnough, Wase, Suffolk
Flexney, Godfrey, Burson, Hobby -  Oxfordshire
Street, Mitchell - Gloucestershire
Horwood, Heale Drew - Bristol
Gibbs, Gait, Noyes, Peters, Padfield, Board, York, Rogers, Horler, Heale, Emery, Clavey, Mogg, - Somerset
Fook, Snell - Devon
M(a)cDonald, Yuell, Gollan, McKenzie - Rosshire
McLennan, Mackintosh - Inverness
Williams, Jones - Angelsey & Caernarvon
Campbell, McMartin, McLellan, McKercher, Perthshire


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Re: Need some help with deciphering this will pls (written in 1661)
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 20 July 22 19:46 BST (UK) »
You might be right, Steve. I m definitely not familiar with these things.

I ll compare the names of the children now. Thanks!  :)


This is how the doc for George Watts starts:

- By the way, can anybody recognize, where George is from -

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Re: Need some help with deciphering this will pls (written in 1661)
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 20 July 22 20:51 BST (UK) »
Hallcliffe in the parish of Brompton

Steve
Bumstead - London, Suffolk
Plant, Woolnough, Wase, Suffolk
Flexney, Godfrey, Burson, Hobby -  Oxfordshire
Street, Mitchell - Gloucestershire
Horwood, Heale Drew - Bristol
Gibbs, Gait, Noyes, Peters, Padfield, Board, York, Rogers, Horler, Heale, Emery, Clavey, Mogg, - Somerset
Fook, Snell - Devon
M(a)cDonald, Yuell, Gollan, McKenzie - Rosshire
McLennan, Mackintosh - Inverness
Williams, Jones - Angelsey & Caernarvon
Campbell, McMartin, McLellan, McKercher, Perthshire

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Re: Need some help with deciphering this will pls (written in 1661)
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 20 July 22 20:52 BST (UK) »
Sorry, Brampton, County of Derby
Bumstead - London, Suffolk
Plant, Woolnough, Wase, Suffolk
Flexney, Godfrey, Burson, Hobby -  Oxfordshire
Street, Mitchell - Gloucestershire
Horwood, Heale Drew - Bristol
Gibbs, Gait, Noyes, Peters, Padfield, Board, York, Rogers, Horler, Heale, Emery, Clavey, Mogg, - Somerset
Fook, Snell - Devon
M(a)cDonald, Yuell, Gollan, McKenzie - Rosshire
McLennan, Mackintosh - Inverness
Williams, Jones - Angelsey & Caernarvon
Campbell, McMartin, McLellan, McKercher, Perthshire

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Re: Need some help with deciphering this will pls (written in 1661)
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 20 July 22 21:01 BST (UK) »
Thank you


I got it now: You are absolutely right, Steve. The doc dated Apr 1662 is not a will.

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Re: Need some help with deciphering this will pls (written in 1661)
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 21 July 22 01:05 BST (UK) »
The doc dated Apr 1662 is not a will.

This document is an administration bond (incorporating a tuition clause). There is also an inventory of the goods of the deceased Robert Watts. There is no will.

A bond is a promise to do something, against a monetary penalty for defaulting. It is normally in two halves – the Obligation (in Latin, stating who is being bound and the amount of the penalty), and the Condition (in English, stating what they have undertaken to do).

The person being bound here is Elizabeth Watts of Brampton, widow of Robert Watts. She is supported by Thomas Watts of Brampton and Gilbert Watkinson of Wingerworth (both yeomen). They are all bound for a sum of £600 to ensure that Elizabeth administers the estate of the deceased Robert Watts according to the law. Elizabeth is also undertaking to care for and educate their children until they come of age. Walter Littleton is the church official under whose authority the bond has been sworn.

Extract 1

… The Condic(i)on of this Obligac(i)on is such That if Elizabeth Watts Relicte

[deletion] of Robert Watts late of Brampton deceased

to whome the Ad(ministra)ion of all & singular the goods Rights & Creditts of the said

dec(ease)d together w(i)th the Tuit(i)on & educat(i)on of Godfrey, Thomas, George, James

^and Faith[?] Watts^ beeing in their minority is by the abovenamed Walter Littleton

com(m)itted & granted doe & shall well & faithfully adm(inis)t(er) the said Good(s)

and Chattells of the said Robert Watts deceased And make […]

up and exhibitt to the said Walter Littleton or any other competent …


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Extract 2 (in reply #1) is from a different document:

… desire my Loveing Trustees Gervias Shawe and Joseph Heath both of Brampton

afores(ai)de yt [= that] they will take my Child into Court according to Custome to find  …