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Re: DNA & STILL A BRICK WALL
« Reply #108 on: Friday 05 August 22 04:39 BST (UK) »

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Another thought, would Bridget have married in her own parish at Lisvernane? Seems logical, but I don't know how/where to search for that. That's all for tonight on this tiny phone! Thanks again, Lilli

We have found a Bridget Hennessy referred to on the gravestone marrying a Jeremiah Dwyer then moving to Bansha and subsequently having their children there.  I think that marriage has been linked to. 

I don't think we have found a death in Ireland for Bridget Hennessy Dwyer or emigration yet.
Bridget Hennessy Welch/Walsh dies in Westfield and is buried in Manchester.  Do you have a date and is there a gravestone? 

Are you able to link to the index that shows that a marriage deed as sought but never picked up in 1857.  I appreciate your difficulties with internet access, if you cannot link could you describe the source please.  Did the couple Bridget and John marry subsequently? 

You say your DNA searching 'did not show much on the Welch side of the family'  What exactly did it show?

While John may have been a man of mystery and be adopted or have some sort of past it may be more prosaic in that he may have been of another religion (2 elderly sisters I found in MB Co Laois/Queens)  with the same names as John's elder two daughters were CoI) , he may have been already married, or Bridget may have already been married.   

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Re: DNA & STILL A BRICK WALL
« Reply #109 on: Friday 05 August 22 06:01 BST (UK) »
There is a John Walsh 23 Labourer on the manifest of the ship Liverpool leaving from Liverpool in 1846 and arriving at New York on 10/7/1846.  The shipping record states he is from Queens County. 
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01rqk/
 
1841 census in Liverpool
https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:MQLS-KSK
15 year old John Walsh born in Ireland

I put the above in as while it was not unusual at all to travel quite long distances to catch these ships, he may have been in L'Pool already?  Sometimes ocean going ships left from closer to Queens Galway, Queenstown(cobh). Against this idea is the fact that there were 6-8 others from Queens Co also going. 

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Re: DNA & STILL A BRICK WALL
« Reply #110 on: Friday 05 August 22 08:21 BST (UK) »
…I am not sure if there is a way to search US birth records by actual day so we could find out who was born on the date in 1855 in NY that is on Edward's death Certificate - I think 30/5/1855.  Could be a Hennessy & spellings or Walsh/Welch and spellings or even Dwyer?
Does anyone know? 

Unfortunately, each state was/is responsible for recording vital records.  I believe New York State started officially recording births in 1881.
Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada       Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland       (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)

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Re: DNA & STILL A BRICK WALL
« Reply #111 on: Friday 05 August 22 08:24 BST (UK) »
........  However, I thought two of my Irish ancestors were the only people to settle in Canada.  I eventually found out (with the help of amazing RootsChatters! and someone from another site) my maternal ancestor had at least one sibling who also settled near her.  My paternal ancestor’s 5+ siblings and his parents also settled in nearby Canadian towns.  I wouldn’t want to ignore the possibility of John or Bridget also having relatives in North America.

Then there are the self proclaimed legends.....my gt grandfather told anyone who asked that he was an only child.  Strange then I should find a sister bearing the names of his eldest daughter and a brother bearing the names of an uncle, one of my gt grandfather's children and this brother's children had also kept my gt grandfather's unusual first names going down the generations.

Wow!  That’s a new one.  Sounds like a bit of trouble in the family?  :-\
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Re: DNA & STILL A BRICK WALL
« Reply #112 on: Friday 05 August 22 08:44 BST (UK) »
I  am interested in Michael Welch, Elk, Delaware County 1860. He seems to be almost too good to not be John 's brother. I had seen him, but didn't get to follow up

There was also a Welch family in Clinton County around that same time. I am using my phone to message you.My laptop isn't fond of my location in the boondocks. So, my access to records is limited.

In the last year, I have begun to wonder if perhaps John Welch had a criminal past, or was adopted. Perhaps he isn't who he said he was? Our DNA doesn't show much on the Welch side of the family. Debbie, another cousin and I have searched in vain for 30+ years. I am hoping someone here can make it happen. Perhaps that will be through Michael.

Another thought, would Bridget have married in her own parish at Lisvernane? Seems logical, but I don't know how/where to search for that. That's all for tonight on this tiny phone! Thanks again, Lilli

Hi lillibelle57, welcome to RootsChat.  I’ve received amazing help from RootsChatters!  Some people try to help out in assorted topics (that’s me), some folks help out where they can and also “specialize” in the various forums (handwriting, photos, armed forces, etc.).  The best thing, I think, is when folks share their knowledge of their regions.  It’s one thing to read books or search the internet for answers but quite another to hear information from “the locals”.  Hopefully, we can come up with some answers for you as well.

You said “Our DNA doesn't show much on the Welch side of the family.”  May I ask exactly what that means, please?  You don’t have any matches with Welch descendants or you have very few?  Your reply could steer us in the right direction.

I will have a look around for Michael.

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Re: DNA & STILL A BRICK WALL
« Reply #113 on: Friday 05 August 22 09:06 BST (UK) »

I don't think we have found a death in Ireland for Bridget Hennessy Dwyer or emigration yet.
Bridget Hennessy Welch/Walsh dies in Westfield and is buried in Manchester.  Do you have a date and is there a gravestone? 

This appears to be Bridget (and some family members).
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01rqm/
Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada       Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland       (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)

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Re: DNA & STILL A BRICK WALL
« Reply #114 on: Friday 05 August 22 09:22 BST (UK) »
........  However, I thought two of my Irish ancestors were the only people to settle in Canada.  I eventually found out (with the help of amazing RootsChatters! and someone from another site) my maternal ancestor had at least one sibling who also settled near her.  My paternal ancestor’s 5+ siblings and his parents also settled in nearby Canadian towns.  I wouldn’t want to ignore the possibility of John or Bridget also having relatives in North America.

Then there are the self proclaimed legends.....my gt grandfather told anyone who asked that he was an only child.  Strange then I should find a sister bearing the names of his eldest daughter and a brother bearing the names of an uncle, one of my gt grandfather's children and this brother's children had also kept my gt grandfather's unusual first names going down the generations.

Wow!  That’s a new one.  Sounds like a bit of trouble in the family?  :-\

My mother described him as a 'fierce Presbyterian' ie Orangeman. She never met him but this was going on what my grandmother said about her father.  He lost his wife, and his 6 children their mother, a few years after they arrived in NZ.  He worked terribly hard to look after them - the younger ones lived at an orphanage and he collected them when he could to spend time with him.  He was a plantsman but did all sorts to keep the family going and later went back to gardening, garden design etc.  Several of these families in his family had Presbyterian and Anglican mixes (husbands and wives)  in Co Derry and sometimes that was not an easy mix especially when the Anglican or CoI ones had a few Anglican/Catholic mixes.  But not sure about the sister and brother who seem to be CoI. 

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Re: DNA & STILL A BRICK WALL
« Reply #115 on: Friday 05 August 22 09:26 BST (UK) »
Deb/lillibelle57, I see someone has a photo of Edward Welch (1855-1924).  Has anyone compared Edward’s photo to Welch photos from the other trees?  It would be interested to find out if there are some similarities.
Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada       Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland       (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)

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Re: DNA & STILL A BRICK WALL
« Reply #116 on: Friday 05 August 22 09:43 BST (UK) »

I don't think we have found a death in Ireland for Bridget Hennessy Dwyer or emigration yet.
Bridget Hennessy Welch/Walsh dies in Westfield and is buried in Manchester.  Do you have a date and is there a gravestone? 

This appears to be Bridget (and some family members).
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01rqm/

I thought if we could find a death for a Bridget Hennessy Dwyer in Ireland well what would that mean?

If we could find an emigration record for her that would put her in North America!