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Re: DNA & STILL A BRICK WALL
« Reply #135 on: Saturday 06 August 22 04:17 BST (UK) »
Looking for a possible Hennessy Burke connection, one of the Family Search Trees had Bridget H being a Bridget Burke and the oldest son Edward Welch having an initial B in some of his records.

Richard Burke is the child
Baptism Date   12 Dec 1844
Baptism Place   Bansha and Kilmoyler, County Tipperary, Ireland
Father's Name   John Burke

Mother's Name   Bridget Hennessy

Sponsors John Ryan and Mary Collins
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632650#page/121/mode/1up


Event Type   Baptism
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6FX2-T4XF

Something I had not appreciated until now while looking for the books with the records in is that Bansha is next door to Galbally and Aherlow. 

I will keep looking. 


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Re: DNA & STILL A BRICK WALL
« Reply #136 on: Saturday 06 August 22 06:00 BST (UK) »
Pat Bourke
Baptism Date   11 Mar 1850
Baptism Place   Bansha and Kilmoyler, County Tipperary, Ireland
Father's Name   John Bourke

Mother's Name   Bridget Hennessy

Event Type   Baptism

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6N35-NT47

Sponsors
John Bourke and Cath Meager

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Re: DNA & STILL A BRICK WALL
« Reply #137 on: Saturday 06 August 22 06:18 BST (UK) »
A Bridget Burke dau of John Bourke and Bridget Hennesay marries in 1882 in Wisconsin
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XRLQ-2MX

ETA 1     7/8/22
then there is this birth record from Jersey City from 1900 for Ellen Burk with  father John Burk born Ireland 1868 and mother Bridget Hennesey born Ireland 1868

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FCYP-GL8
This marriage for the parents
John Burke
New Jersey Marriages, 1678-1985
Name:   John Burke
Event Type:   Marriage
Event Date:11 Oct 1891
Event Place:   Jersey City, Hudson, New Jersey, United States
   
St Michael, Jersey City, Hudson, New Jersey, United States
   
Father's Name:   Patrick
Mother's Name:   Mary Cahill

Spouse's Name:   Bridget Hennessy

Spouse's Father's Name:   Patrick
Spouse's Mother's Name:   Bridget Scanlon

Now one of the children of John Welch/Walsh and his Bridget Hennessy married a Scanlan/lon. 

ETA 2      Don't think this Bridget H is connected, she was born in Kilkee* Co Clare on 9/2/1864.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FRWT-FFH

*Kilrush on other records.

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Re: DNA & STILL A BRICK WALL
« Reply #138 on: Saturday 06 August 22 07:58 BST (UK) »
Now looking at the National Censuses for Ireland
1901
There is an(other) Timothy Hennessy living at Lisvarrinane, aged 74, widower and living with his widowed sister Hanora Berrigan 77.  Timothy signs the return with his name and it looks as though the enumerator has written 'Sen' beside it.
These two born c 1827 & 1824.

Honora Hennessy, daughter of Patrick Hennessy  marries Michael Bergin on 4/2/1864.  RC Chapel at Clonbeg
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1864/11602/8270284.pdf
She dies in 1903 at Lisvarrinane and death is reported by James Hennessy, her nephew.

The Hennessy family we have been looking at in Lisvarrinane has been Thomas and Bridget Cleary Hennessy. 

It looks as though there may have been other Hennessy families there, well at least one,
 and that is Patrick and the children I have found so far
Timothy https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/38318481/timothy-hennessy
Hanora Hennessy Berigan/Bergin


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Re: DNA & STILL A BRICK WALL
« Reply #139 on: Saturday 06 August 22 18:33 BST (UK) »
Now looking at the National Censuses for Ireland
1901
There is an(other) Timothy Hennessy living at Lisvarrinane, aged 74, widower and living with his widowed sister Hanora Berrigan 77.  Timothy signs the return with his name and it looks as though the enumerator has written 'Sen' beside it.
These two born c 1827 & 1824.


The Hennessy family we have been looking at in Lisvarrinane has been Thomas and Bridget Cleary Hennessy. 

It looks as though there may have been other Hennessy families there, well at least one,
 and that is Patrick and the children I have found so far
Timothy https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/38318481/timothy-henness


There were 3 Hennessy households in Lisvarrinane on 1901 census, 2 of them headed by a Timothy, so that's why the elder Timothy was noted "Sen" for Senior. The younger Timothy was with Ellen, his wife. Head of the other household was Laurence.
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Clonbeg/Lisvarrinane/
Both Timothy Hennessy died before 1911 census. Wills reply #133.
The younger Timothy died 1909.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/128715676/timothy-hennessy
According to information there, he was son of Timothy (1810-92) & Alice Downey and grandson of Thomas Hennessy & Bridget Cleary.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/128716827/timothy-hennessy
Alice and 4 of her children emigrated to Georgia.

1911 census for Lisvarrinane
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Clonbeg/Lisvarrinane/
3 Hennessy households.
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Re: DNA & STILL A BRICK WALL
« Reply #140 on: Saturday 06 August 22 19:00 BST (UK) »

Something I had not appreciated until now while looking for the books with the records in is that Bansha is next door to Galbally and Aherlow. 


Map on National Libraries Ireland website
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0264
The county boundary goes through Galbally & Aherlow parish.
Map is interactive. Can see registers for other parishes by clicking on a parish name.
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Re: DNA & STILL A BRICK WALL
« Reply #141 on: Sunday 07 August 22 00:12 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the work MS.

I am still keen to follow up the Burke/Hennessy children Richard born 1844 and Patrick born 1850.  They were baptised in Bansha to parents John Burke and Bridgit Hennessy. There may be a daughter Bridgit who married in Wisconsin in 1882 though this seems late if she was a sibling born around 1840/1850. 
Suffice to say not much luck so far finding them or their parents later on.

I will do a little bit more searching but the weather here, after some days of wind and rain is fine and I want to be out and about.

Some info from Deb or Lillibelle re the DNA results they have got on John's family and the tree that has a Bridget Burk mentioned would be good.....appreciate the tech problems. 

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Re: DNA & STILL A BRICK WALL
« Reply #142 on: Sunday 07 August 22 02:20 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the work MS.

I am still keen to follow up the Burke/Hennessy children Richard born 1844 and Patrick born 1850.  They were baptised in Bansha to parents John Burke and Bridget Hennessy.
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Here is a FS link to some children of John Bourke/Burk/Burke and his wife Bridget Hennessy. All from parish registers of Bansha and Kilmoyler, County Tipperary, Ireland
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01rqs/

Basically we have
Johanna bapt 14/12/1839 sps Hugh Bourke & Ellen Murphy
Richard bapt 12/12 1844 sps John Ryan & Mary Collins
Patrick bapt 11/3/1850 sps John Bourke & Cath Meagher
Bridget bapt 31/12/1852 sps Nil & Bridget Doherty
John bapt 1/7/1855 sps James Connors and Mary Connors

So timing is out a little if this Bridget is the one later married to John Walsh/Welch as I think Edward Welch is born Aug 1855. But we are not sure of this as we have not found a record of his birth in Ireland, NY or Iowa yet. 

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Re: DNA & STILL A BRICK WALL
« Reply #143 on: Sunday 07 August 22 05:39 BST (UK) »
I have been trying to figure out how to send you the records that I have found. Spent today searching for more info. I think I have John and Bridget, but then also realized that the dates for the families are all over from 1830's to 1860's, and that just isn't possible. I took screenshots. Is there any way to send those to you?

I found a marriage, and several baptism records. The DNA really did not take me any further back than the generations of the Welch family in Iowa. They are all my cousins and people that I know, or.can trace back to someone I know.

Thanks again,Lilli