Birth certificate help required

[nicdigby]

Hi,
Can I please have the benefit of your eyes on this birth certificate from London, late 1930s?

1) the second name. Cedric and then what is the second name? Looks like Celines - have googled this and can find nothing to suggest this is a male name anywhere at any time - I have only found it as 'Celine' for a girl. Any insights anyone, or alternative suggestions to Celines? It could well be a surname as it is the last name in that box, but it bears no resemblance to the mother's surname and the father's name box is blank. Family were told the father was from Switzerland so maybe I am looking for surname Celines from Switzerland???

2) On the right, in different handwriting to the original. I think it says "Adopted" and then "? Superintendant registrar". It may be that the second word is just a signature therefore - what do you think?

Does anyone have any other insights into whether I could discover more about the adoption? My reading suggests that this would not be easy unless I am next of kin (I am not and this boy died a long time ago).

Thank you!

[nicdigby]

Second part of query:

[arthurk]

1) the second name. Cedric and then what is the second name?

I wonder if it might be Elwes - which appears to be a surname. However, it won't be the child's surname, as a birth registration/certificate for that date would record only the child's forenames. The surname would be inferred from the parents' details.

....it is the last name in that box

The image shows the top of some more writing which appears to be in the same box. What is that?

2) On the right, in different handwriting to the original. I think it says "Adopted" and then "? Superintendant registrar". It may be that the second word is just a signature therefore - what do you think?

Does anyone have any other insights into whether I could discover more about the adoption? My reading suggests that this would not be easy unless I am next of kin (I am not and this boy died a long time ago).

Yes, I think it says Adopted, then the superintendent registrar's signature and title. However, your query puzzles me and might suggest you already know more than we might be able to find out. Either (a) your link is pre-adoption, so how do you know the child has died? Or (b) your link is post-adoption, so how did you manage to link him to this birth registration? Or could it be (c) where a child remains part of a birth parent's family but is adopted by a step-parent?

Adoption isn't one of my strong points, but I understand that it's only adopted people or their descendants who can get access to the full records. However, I believe you might be able to get a copy of the Adoption Certificate, which would tell you the names of the adoptive parents. Someone please correct me on this if I'm wrong. Also see the GRO guide:

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/images/CG6_2.pdf

[nicdigby]

1) the second name. Cedric and then what is the second name?

I wonder if it might be Elwes - which appears to be a surname. However, it won't be the child's surname, as a birth registration/certificate for that date would record only the child's forenames. The surname would be inferred from the parents' details.

....it is the last name in that box

The image shows the top of some more writing which appears to be in the same box. What is that?

2) On the right, in different handwriting to the original. I think it says "Adopted" and then "? Superintendant registrar". It may be that the second word is just a signature therefore - what do you think?

Does anyone have any other insights into whether I could discover more about the adoption? My reading suggests that this would not be easy unless I am next of kin (I am not and this boy died a long time ago).

Yes, I think it says Adopted, then the superintendent registrar's signature and title. However, your query puzzles me and might suggest you already know more than we might be able to find out. Either (a) your link is pre-adoption, so how do you know the child has died? Or (b) your link is post-adoption, so how did you manage to link him to this birth registration? Or could it be (c) where a child remains part of a birth parent's family but is adopted by a step-parent?

Adoption isn't one of my strong points, but I understand that it's only adopted people or their descendants who can get access to the full records. However, I believe you might be able to get a copy of the Adoption Certificate, which would tell you the names of the adoptive parents. Someone please correct me on this if I'm wrong. Also see the GRO guide:

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/images/CG6_2.pdf

Thank you for taking the time to help.

1) The top of the writing you can see is an overspill from the location box, it's the top of the word Wembley.

2) Thank you for confirming it is a christian name that we are looking for rather than a surname. I am attaching a bit more of the certificate to help us with the handwriting but don't want to reveal the name of the child for privacy reasons (although the baby and parent both died a long time ago)

3) Regards the adoption, it's option (c) - where a child remains part of a birth parent's family but is adopted by a step-parent. This first-born child was likely a toddler when his mother met and married another man, and then that couple had the sibling which is where my info is from. He thinks it was possible that his brother was adopted by the step-parent but not an open family and nobody left on that branch to ask because the person in question died a long time ago.

[nicdigby]

handwriting

[nicdigby]

handwriting 2

[arthurk]

3) Regards the adoption, it's option (c) - where a child remains part of a birth parent's family but is adopted by a step-parent. This first-born child was likely a toddler when his mother met and married another man, and then that couple had the sibling which is where my info is from. He thinks it was possible that his brother was adopted by the step-parent but not an open family and nobody left on that branch to ask because the person in question died a long time ago.

In that case I'd suggest trying to get a copy of the adoption certificate. That's what Cedric would have used throughout his life instead of a birth certificate, and as far as I know, it would have named his adoptive parents. Since these are apparently a parent and step-parent, there may well have been considerably fewer case notes etc anyway than if the adopters were totally unrelated.

As well as following the GRO guide I mentioned before, you might be able to get information via The Genealogist, though I don't know whether this is available to anyone or just subscribers. The relevant links are:

https://www.thegenealogist.co.uk/search/adoption/

https://www.thegenealogist.co.uk/researchguide/overview-of-available-databases-900/#699

But as I said, I don't know a great deal about this and am happy to be corrected by those who do.

[shanreagh]

I read the first name as Elmes rather than Elwes.  As I don't know the headings for this entry I cannot say if it is the second of two first names or a surname.  Often people did give their children the mothers maiden name or, if it was an illegitimate birth, the name of the putative father. 

[shanreagh]

handwriting 2

Not sure if you are wanting this interpreted?  I see Alice L Coomber.