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Irish ancestors Ward and Ryan
« on: Monday 08 August 22 22:16 BST (UK) »
My Irish ancestors immigrated to Australia.   I have the following details (which may be slightly incorrect).
Michael Ward.  Born Ballinasloe, Roscommon about 1857. Parents Michael Ward and Bridget Doolan (or Dolan).   He went to Australia before 1882, as this was the date of his marriage in Melbourne.

Anne Ryan.  Born Athlone, Roscommon about 1857.   Parents John Ryan and Ellen Connor (or Connelly).

I have a copy of what seems to be the immigration details for Annie 20, with John 26, Katherine 23 and Pat 18 on the Northumberland in May 1878.   However I cannot find confirmation of these details when searching the ship's records.

Perhaps there are some family members who have the correct details for Michael and Anne and their parents.   From a letter written to my mother from her cousin, there was a relative of Anne's living in Moore, Roscommon.
Nock, Redman, Taylor, Ward

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Re: Irish ancestors Ward and Ryan
« Reply #1 on: Monday 08 August 22 22:37 BST (UK) »
Starting, perhaps, with the easiest bit of you post- could 'Moore, Roscommon' be the townland of Moher in Roscommon?
https://www.townlands.ie/roscommon/roscommon/cloonfinlough/cloonfinlough/moher/
You can use the same site to find the locations of Ballinasloe & Athlone.

Lots of Catholic Parish Registers online (free) although coverage varies-
https://registers.nli.ie/

After looking at the map of Catholic parishes on the above site I notice that the R.C. parish of St. Peter's (Athlone) is right next to that of Moore parish!
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!

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Re: Irish ancestors Ward and Ryan
« Reply #2 on: Monday 08 August 22 23:15 BST (UK) »
All bound for Melbourne:

Annie Ryan, age 20, d (for domestic), nationality ENGLISH, departure port PLYMOUTH. The index says May 1878 on the Northumberland BUT from the actual image, the ship's master signed the top as March 1878,
 
In between Annie and Pat are a couple of other people (surname McNameo)

Pat Ryan, age 18, lab (labourer), nationality ENGLISH, departure port PLYMOUTH

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John Ryan, age 26, goldseeker, nationality ENGLISH, departure port GRAVESEND,
(from index; in May 1878 on the Northumberland) but no where on the image is the date or name of ship to confirm that part.
Katherine Ryan, 23, no occupation, and listed immediately below John, the rest the same as John's info.

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Re: Irish ancestors Ward and Ryan
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 09 August 22 16:08 BST (UK) »
Born Ballinasloe, Roscommon about 1857. Parents

Anne Ryan.  Born Athlone, Roscommon about 1857. 


Ballinasloe and Athlone were both towns straddling county boundaries.
Ballinasloe: Counties Galway and Roscommon
Athlone: Counties Roscommon and Westmeath
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Re: Irish ancestors Ward and Ryan
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 10 August 22 04:21 BST (UK) »
Thank you for the information.   I am in the process of looking up Church records - it takes a while!
I was looking at a map of Ireland and did wonder if those towns crossed borders, although it was always spoken of as Roscommon where my great grandparents came from.
I was interested to see that they seem to have been marked down as English on the ship list, but were definitely Irish.   There is still no record of them arriving in Australia on line and as I live in New Zealand I cannot access information any other way.   
Oh well, it is all part of the fun of ancestry searching.
Nock, Redman, Taylor, Ward

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Re: Irish ancestors Ward and Ryan
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 10 August 22 06:32 BST (UK) »

I was interested to see that they seem to have been marked down as English on the ship list, but were definitely Irish.   

Are you convinced that this is the right Annie?

There are several 20 yr old Annie Ryan's sailing UK to Australia in 1878.

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Re: Irish ancestors Ward and Ryan
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 10 August 22 07:46 BST (UK) »

"I have the following details (which may be slightly incorrect)."

This is a bit of a worry.......what might be slightly incorrect

Is this your couple -

VIC BDM

3788/1882 RYAN Anne   married  WARD, Michael

Can you please list all the information on this marriage certificate.


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Re: Irish ancestors Ward and Ryan
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 11 August 22 18:57 BST (UK) »
Thank you for the information.   I am in the process of looking up Church records - it takes a while!
I was looking at a map of Ireland and did wonder if those towns crossed borders, although it was always spoken of as Roscommon where my great grandparents came from.
I was interested to see that they seem to have been marked down as English on the ship list, but were definitely Irish.   

There was a change to some county boundaries, including Galway and Roscommon, late 19th century.
http://www.swilson.info is useful for matching parishes, registration districts &c. to places.

It's possible that English was synonymous with British in this context. Irish-born people were British citizens/subjects.
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Re: Irish ancestors Ward and Ryan
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 11 August 22 22:25 BST (UK) »
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It's possible that English was synonymous with British in this context. Irish-born people were British citizens/subjects.
Thie is correct.  Quite a likely entry as they boarded in Plymouth in England to go to Australia