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trying to find John Yates
« on: Wednesday 10 August 22 15:28 BST (UK) »
hi everyone I've been hitting brick wall after brick wall trying to find information on a man called John Yates {my Great Great Great Grandfather which unfortunately I don't know anything about him other than the date he got married, where he got married, who he got married to, who his son was and the fact that when he died we believe he was a Staff Sergeant in the UK Armed Forces according to his sons wedding certificate but don't know which one}.

John Yates{I don't know when he was born but we know he was deceased in April 1871 due to the census records}.

John Yates married a woman called ''Mary Ann White'' who was originally born in Bridgwater, Somerset, UK in 1842 and she died sometime between 1900 - 1911 in Bacup, Lancashire, UK. John and Mary Ann married at Wembdon Church, Wembdon, Bridgwater, Somerset, UK in 1868. his father listed on the marriage certificate was William White{deceased} and his job profession was a Hosia and her father was William George White White{deceased} and his job profession was a Stone Mason.

John Yates and Mary Ann White had 1 son together called ''Edward John Yates{deceased}'' who was born late 1871 and died 1936 in Heywood, Lancashire, England, UK.

Edward John Yates married a woman called ''May Jane Aykroyd''{deceased} born 1866 Rawtenstall, Lancashire, England, she was baptised in 1867. Edward and Mary Jane married December 1896 at Rawtenstall Longholme Wesleyan Chapel, Haslingden, Lancashire, UK.
Mary Jane Parents were Sarah Longholme and James Aykroyd and Edward's Parents were John Yates and Mary Ann White.

Edward John Yates and Mary Jane Aykroyd had 2 children together a son called Sidney Yates who served in the Armed Forces as a private. Sidney was born in 1898 in Rochdale, Lancashire, UK and died in France in March 1918 aged 20 and they had 1 daughter Ida Yates{my Great Great Grandmother}. she was born 1901 Rochdale, Lancashire, England, UK and she died 1979 in Wardle, Lancashire, England, UK.


Ida Yates married Christopher Winchester{deceased}. he was born 1895 in Rochdale, Lancashire, England, UK and he died 1958 in Rochdale, Lancashire, England, UK. Christopher and Ida married on 1925{Boxing Day} at Wesley Chapel, Rochdale, UK.

Ida and Christopher had 6 daughters together called ...
Joyce Winchester born 1928 and she died 1932 in Lancashire, England, UK.
Pauline Winchester born 1931 in Rochdale, Lancashire, UK and she died 2019 in South Africa.
Brenda Mary Winchester{my Nan} born 1933 in Rochdale, Lancashire, UK and she died 1992 in Somerset, England, UK.
Margaret E Winchester born and died in Rochdale, Lancashire, UK in 1934.
Rita Herbert Winchester born 1938 in Bury, Lancashire, England and she died January 2021 in Brampton, Ontario, Canada.
the 6th Daughter is still alive and living so I won't name her for legal reasons.


Brenda and Pauline children are still very much alive. 2 of the 3 children that Rita had are still alive, and the children of the 6th Daughter of Ida & Christopher Yates are all still alive and living.

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Re: trying to find John Yates
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 10 August 22 20:53 BST (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat Summer  :D

You have this information on your post:-

John Yates{I don't know when he was born but we know he was deceased in April 1871 due to the census records}.

Where did the information about John being deceased come from?  The 1871 census was taken on 2 April 1871.  If he died after that date then, in theory, he and his wife should be on the 1871 census.  Where is John most likely to have died?

What was John's occupation at the time of his marriage?

Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: trying to find John Yates
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 10 August 22 21:03 BST (UK) »
YATES, EDWARD  JOHN     WHITE 
GRO Reference: 1871  D Quarter in BLACKBURN  Volume 08E  Page 372

Was mary Ann née white in Blackburn for the 1871 census?
Why is HIS father listed as a Mr White in 1868 marriage? What names witnessed? Did he give an age for himself?

Mary Ann is a widow in 1871. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZPQ-KQN for anyone else looking

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Re: trying to find John Yates
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 10 August 22 21:08 BST (UK) »
What was John's occupation at the time of his marriage?

John's occupation listed as Clerk father William Yates on 1868 marriage to
Mary Ann White both full age

Baptism of son Edward also gives father's occupation as clerk

Edward John Yates born 23 Nov 1871
Baptism 17 Mar 1872 Blackburn, St Paul, Lancashire
Father:   John Yates
Mother:   Mary Ann
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Re: trying to find John Yates
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 10 August 22 21:20 BST (UK) »
Did Mary Ann remarry and is this her on 1881 census?

Civil Parish:   Newchurch County/Island:   Lancashire
Street Address:   No 5 Woodside St
Piece:   4126 Folio:   15 Page Number:   24
Walton H. Bell   46
Mary A. Bell 38 Bridgewater, Somerset
John E. Y. Bell 9 Blackburn, Lancashire
Maria B. Bell   5
Cecil P. Bell   1

BELL, MARIA  BEATRICE     mmn WHITE 
1875  D Quarter in BLACKBURN  Volume 08E  Page 325

BELL, CECIL  PERCY     mmn WHITE 
1879  J Quarter in BLACKBURN  Volume 08E  Page 371
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Re: trying to find John Yates
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 10 August 22 21:25 BST (UK) »
Looks like she did remarry

Marriages Jun 1875   
BELL    Walton Herbert        Blackburn    8e   588a    
YATES    Mary Ann        Blackburn    8e   588a
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: trying to find John Yates
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 10 August 22 22:03 BST (UK) »
There is a public tree on Anc*y have added the link if you have access you can view http://www.rootschat.com/links/01rr5/

It does have a copy of Edward's birth certificate born 23 Nov 1871, 27 Bicknell St.,
father John Yates (deceased), occ Sergeant 6th Foot,
mother Mary Ann YATES formerly WHITE ,
she was the informant address 27 Bicknell Street Blackburn
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Re: trying to find John Yates
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 10 August 22 22:33 BST (UK) »
this might help with his age - record itself is on Fold 3 which I don;t have access to (Royal Hospital Chelsea Pensioner Soldier Service Records, 1760-1920)

Name:    John Yates
Enlistment Year:    1864
Enlistment Age:    20
Birth Place:    Blackburn, Lancaster



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Re: trying to find John Yates
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 10 August 22 22:51 BST (UK) »
I've had a look on Find My Past and noted a few things.  Born Blackburn, 20 in 1864, occupation Collier.  Interestingly he was in East India between 1865 and 1885.  Home in 1885.  Father is just stated as William but no surname.

You can view the full records as there are images.  On the face of it this is a different John Yates as Summer's John is supposed to have died in 1871.

There are some births recorded for a John Yates in 1843/1844 in Blackburn, one of which indicates illegitimate (1843).
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire