trying to find John Yates

[Ladyhawk]

this might help with his age - record itself is on Fold 3 which I don;t have access to (Royal Hospital Chelsea Pensioner Soldier Service Records, 1760-1920)

Name:    John Yates
Enlistment Year:    1864
Enlistment Age:    20
Birth Place:    Blackburn, Lancaster

Not sure if this might be the same person record can be viewed on F M P

John YATES
Attestation corps 100th Foot
Discharge corps 100th Foot
Birth year 1844 Blackburn[/b]
Series Wo 97 - Chelsea Pensioners British Army Service Records 1760-1913
Service number 103
Regiment 100th Foot
Record set British Army Service Records
Attestation date 24 Mar 1864
Attestation age years 20
Attestation service number 103

next of kin father William
but his Military History Sheet has dates from 26th March 1864 to 7 July 1885

Edit to add Snap Girl Guide posting whilst red writing 

[heywood]

It does have a copy of Edward's birth certificate born 23 Nov 1871, 27 Bicknell St.,
father John Yates (deceased), occ Sergeant 6th Foot,
mother Mary Ann YATES formerly WHITE ,
she was the informant address 27 Bicknell Street Blackburn

27 Bicknell Street is unoccupied in 1871 census 4181 /116/35

[heywood]

There was a Private John Yates of 6th Regiment of Foot discharged in 1872.
He was born abt 1838, Thame, Oxfordshire.
From earlier censuses, his father might be Joseph though.

Fold 3

[Daisypetal]

Hi,

I found this marriage notice which might help,

Regards,
Daisy

[bbart]

If this is him, there is a timing problem for the son... but it does match the occupation as given in the marriage snip that Daisypetal posted...

From Leicester Chronicle 08 October 1870

Edited to add: the burial for this fellow at Aldershot Military Burial Ground, Hampshire states he was a Divisional Staff Sargeant, and age 28 (not 29 as the newspapers says).

[Ladyhawk]

I found this marriage notice which might help,

If this is him, there is a timing problem for the son... but it does match the occupation as given in the marriage snip that Daisypetal posted...

From Leicester Chronicle 08 October 1870

Edited to add: the burial for this fellow at Aldershot Military Burial Ground, Hampshire states he was a Divisional Staff Sargeant, and age 28 (not 29 as the newspapers says).

Good finds from you both 

Would this be his death entry?

YATES, JOHN    age    28 
GRO Reference: 1870  S Quarter in FARNHAM  Volume 02A  Page 73

[heywood]

Great finds 

[Girl Guide]

I'm wondering if we are 'chasing' two John Yates.

Ladyhawk posted this death

Would this be his death entry?

YATES, JOHN    age    28
GRO Reference: 1870  S Quarter in FARNHAM  Volume 02A  Page 73

Edward's birth record:-

YATES, EDWARD  JOHN     WHITE 
GRO Reference: 1871  D Quarter in BLACKBURN  Volume 08E  Page 372

I see from the brief details on Deceased Online that John was buried on 24th September 1870.

Is it possible for a child to be born, in theory, more than a year after the father's death?

What do others think?

 

[Mabel Bagshawe]

So how/why does Mary Ann end up in Blackburn? Presumably she knows or is related to Caroline Kirk, also from Bridgwater, with whom she's staying in 1871

Just to confirm that, Caroline Kirk is on 1861 with her married sister Ellen Drewett. One of the witnesses to John Drewett and Ellen Kirk's marriage is Mary Ann White

Caroline herself has two children before she's married.