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Re: Annie Golden b. Ireland 1835
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 18 August 22 22:02 BST (UK) »
Annie Agen's first husband was Henry Golden.

from the image of the marriage record:
her address at the time was 109 W 36th
William's occupation: liquor dealer.
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NY City Directory
image 1632 starts year ending May 1, 1871
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-V3DB-LSR1?i=1631&cc=3754697
Ann Golden, widow of Henry, home 109 W 36th [image 1900]
Ann Park, widow of Joseph J, home 183 Mulberry*
Park & Tilford, grocers, 2 addresses, neither his home acc to marriage record
* included just because she was there. no necessary relation, but it might help rule someone out earlier or later.

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I saw an ad along the way for Park and Tilford, purveyors of fine groceries, wines, and Havana cigars, so I think Wm Park is the Park in that partnership. but none of the listings gave a home address for him. just the store addresses.

I tried an internet search for
“Park & Tilford” New York

According to one website, a Joseph Park, born in 1823 in New York, was the co-founder of a firm with the above name. 
[I don’t like to provide links to unknown, possibly unsecure sites.]
I did not read through the material to see if there was any connection to William Park.
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Re: Annie Golden b. Ireland 1835
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 18 August 22 22:48 BST (UK) »

I tried an internet search for
“Park & Tilford” New York

According to one website, a Joseph Park, born in 1823 in New York, was the co-founder of a firm with the above name. 
[I don’t like to provide links to unknown, possibly unsecure sites.]
I did not read through the material to see if there was any connection to William Park.

Then there weren't any listings for William at all.
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Henry Golden's death

Name   Henry Golden
Sex   Male
Age   35
Burial Date   29 May 1868
Death Date   27 May 1868
Death Place   Manhattan, New York County, New York, United States
Birthplace   England
Marital Status   Unknown
Race   White
Event Type   Death
Certificate Number   cn 9496
Cemetery   Cty Cemetery

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WN1-NN3

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Henry wasn't listed in 1865, I don't know if he was there earlier or not. He shows up in 1866, 1867, and 1868 [in a previous post]

1865-1868 Directories
image 9 starts year ending May 1, 1865
no Harry Golden
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-J3DB-LKBG?i=8&cc=3754697

image 631 starts year ending May 1, 1866
Henry N Golden, carman, home 119 W 26th
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-V3DB-L59V?i=630&cc=3754697

image 1335 starts year ending May 1, 1867
Henry N Golden, carman, home 209 W 26th [image 1538]
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-J3DB-LV3P?i=1537&cc=3754697

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could be Annie in 1870
1870 Census, New York City,
familysearch says Ward 20
census page says 22nd and 20th Ward
Annie Golden, 40, house keeper, born in Ireland, parents foreign born, personal estate: $1000

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M8D1-R7S

If that is her, then she must have been considerably older than her second husband, Wm Park.
edited He might have added a few years to try to meet her in the middle on their marriage license. He said he was 31.
Maybe not, that tree on familysearch says he was in the 1841 UK Census, age 1, with parents Thomas and Isabella.

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Re: Annie Golden b. Ireland 1835
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 18 August 22 23:35 BST (UK) »
To possibly confuse things, there is this family as well:

1870 New York census
Henry N Golden, 55, born New Jersey.  Occupation - Carman.
Ann Golden, 45
Henry Golden, 7
Walter Golden, 5
William Golden, 3
  All but Henry were born in New York.

Just adding this to rule out possible future findings about a Henry N Golden.

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Re: Annie Golden b. Ireland 1835
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 18 August 22 23:41 BST (UK) »
Thank you, Lisa in CA, I didn't even think to check if the carman lived past 1868. Here he is later:
1873 to 1875 group of city directories
Henry N Golden, carman, h 161 W 27th
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6CBG-7S9N



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Re: Annie Golden b. Ireland 1835
« Reply #13 on: Friday 19 August 22 00:15 BST (UK) »
I think there were two men with the same names, both married to an Ann (but one Ann was older and born in New York).

Before you found Henry’s 1868 death, I believe I came across a directory entry that had Ann (widow of Henry) and a Henry N Golden, Driver (at different addresses).  In California (but possibly later, during the 1880s), carman also could mean driver.  (In my husband’s ancestors’ case, they were employed to run streetcars.)
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Re: Annie Golden b. Ireland 1835
« Reply #14 on: Friday 19 August 22 12:02 BST (UK) »
Just posted on new thread on Tipperary board-
Added- there are no records for 'Agen' as a surname in Ireland for births, marriages & deaths on Irish Genealogy site. I suspect the actual surname might be something like Egan.
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Re: Annie Golden b. Ireland 1835
« Reply #15 on: Friday 19 August 22 13:07 BST (UK) »
Got slightly confused there - should be Irish history for Annie Golden, formerly Agen, daughter of Stephen Agen and Maria Steen.  Not sure how far I will get with Irish records as many were sent to Dublin and lost.     Elizabeth

The records lost in Dublin were mainly early Wills and Church of Ireland registers. Pre-1901 census records were pulped after population statistics were extracted. No vital records (civil births, marriages, deaths) were lost. Catholic registers also survive.
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Re: Annie Golden b. Ireland 1835
« Reply #16 on: Friday 19 August 22 15:41 BST (UK) »
Just posted on new thread on Tipperary board-
Added- there are no records for 'Agen' as a surname in Ireland for births, marriages & deaths on Irish Genealogy site. I suspect the actual surname might be something like Egan.
Thank you for letting us know. I'll put some of what I found over there.
The Tipperary thread is here:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=865110.msg7352264

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Re: Annie Golden b. Ireland 1835
« Reply #17 on: Friday 19 August 22 15:47 BST (UK) »
arriving October 2 1855, NYC, on the Isaac Hughs from Liverpool
Ann Agen, 25, spinster, born in Ireland

I couldn't read the exact date of arrival, but it looks like about October 2, 1855 from the pages before and after this ship.

image 152
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:27RZ-QTM

I'll put this here also. if it is her, we will know when she arrived. and without parents.