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David Gemmell
« on: Sunday 21 August 22 18:30 BST (UK) »
Some relatives found so far lived in Glamorgan and I have posted there information on that board - linked below.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=865147.0

Some others may have stayed and descendants could still live in Scotland, so all help is appreciated.

Looking for their families, so that identities can be confirmed by DNA comparison.
If anyone can help with the whereabouts of any surviving family.
MODWarDetectives@mod.gov.uk. would be delighted to hear from you.
Links to Glamorgan so that seems the best option at the moment.


Pte David Gemmell - 1st Battalion, Black Watch -  killed in action 25 January 1915

David Gemmell was born in 1869 in Dundee to David Gemmell (1824 to 1904) and Mary Cable (1824 to 1902). He was the youngest of eight children -  his siblings were:

Helen (born 1849)
Eliza, Jean and Jane (all listed as born in 1861)
Jessie (1866 to 1948) Glamorgan
Joan/Johanna (born 1855) Glamorgan
Georgina (born 1864)

The 1891 Census shows him aged 22 years and living with his parents at Hilltown in Dundee. By the time of the next Census in 1901 he was a plumber and lodged in a house in Stobcross Street, Glasgow.

Three of David’s sisters married:

Jessie, married George Williamson and they had three sons, George (1896 to 1952 Glamorgan), James (1899 to 1971 Glamorgan) and Edwin (1903 to 1976 Glamorgan) mentioned on ancestry tree.

Joan/Johanna (1854 - 1877) married Jesse Carr in 1875 in Dundee.
A daughter - Adelaide May Kezia Carr - 1876–1935
born 28 April 1876  Dunn Street, No 31, Dundee, Angus, Scotland
died  1935 - East Glamorgan, Glamorgan, Wales.
Married 1902 - Parish Church, Canton, Glamorganshire, Wales.
Had 2 daughters -  Grace Hancock in 1907 - 1964 London Middlesex  and  Christine Hancock 1909 - 1997 USA


Eliza  1858 - 1943  Westfield Road, No 23, Broughty Ferry, Angus, Scotland  married Andrew Petrie Thomson 1858 - 1907 Dundee Angus.
Daughter - Edith Eliza THOMSON 1895–1984
born 9 October 1895 -  Willowbank Cottage, Camphill, Broughty Ferry, Angus, Scotland
died 17 April 1984 - Mundarmalla, Nytyle, Sidlaw, Angus, Scotland.

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Re: David Gemmell
« Reply #1 on: Monday 12 September 22 08:55 BST (UK) »
     I don't know if this is helpful or not, but I saw a tree where Grace Hancock married a Harker.
 
                                        1939 Register
                                        Line Cottage Hill St, Andover, Hampshire.
                                       
                                        Grace Harker, b 18 Oct 1906, Housewife
                                        Deborah C Harker, b 23 May 1892, Stage Scenery
                                        Veronica Harker b 2 Apr 1909, Scenic Artist, Traveller
                                        Roland Harker, b 3 May 1895, Scenic Artist
                                        Colin C, b 23 Mar? 1897, Scenic Artist

       Perhaps you could look for marriages of the above, then their children....
                               

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Re: David Gemmell
« Reply #2 on: Monday 12 September 22 14:04 BST (UK) »
1871 census, St Andrew, Dundee, under Gemmel

Mary C, 45, Helen, 21, Mary Ann, 19, Johan, 16, Eliza, 12, Jane, 10, Jessie, 5, & David, 2

Helen thru to Jane all listed as born Forfar but could not find any births or anything on 1861 census.

Helen died unmarried in 1912

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Re: David Gemmell
« Reply #3 on: Monday 12 September 22 16:10 BST (UK) »
Hi Sandra. Could not find Eliza's marriage to Andrew Petrie Thomson on SP

Found an Andrew B Thomson to a Lizzie G Gemmell, 1885, St Andrew, Dundee.

1891 census, Monifieth. Andrew P, 33, Lizzie, 31, David G, 4, Douglas L, 2, Albert C, 0

1901 census, Monifieth. Andrew, 43, Lizzie, 41, Frederick, 15, David, 14, Douglas, 12, Albert, 10, Mary, 7, Edith, 5.
1911 census, St Andrew, Dundee. Lizzie Gemmell, 51, Frederick Peter, 25, Albert Cable, 20, Mary Souttar, 17, Edith Eliza, 15.

Son, Albert Cable Thomson born 1891. Monifieth, died 1929, Barry, Angus.

He married a Mary Constance Spink in 1922, St Clement, Dundee.

Daughter, Constance Margaret Thomson, born, 1922, Barry. Died 1987, Carnoustie (Unmarried)

Douglas Low Thomson died Morningside, 1972.

David Gemmell Thomson married Janet Urquhart, 1916, Dumbarton

David died 1967, Dumbarton.

No SP death for Frederick Peter or marriage.

Mary Souttar died 1968, Dundee, unmarried.


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Re: David Gemmell
« Reply #4 on: Monday 12 September 22 18:29 BST (UK) »

Andrew Petrie Gemmell - National  Probate -

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Re: David Gemmell
« Reply #5 on: Monday 12 September 22 18:55 BST (UK) »
Marriage in 1885 - Andrew listed as Andrew B. See screenshot.
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Re: David Gemmell
« Reply #6 on: Monday 12 September 22 19:22 BST (UK) »
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