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Who was Patrick O'Sullivan Ware?
« on: Tuesday 30 August 22 20:06 BST (UK) »
Maria Guinnee (1860 - 1924; her name is misspelled on the record) married Patrick O'Sullivan Ware in Pancras, London, England in January 1882:

Name   Maria Guinner
Registration Year   1882
Registration Quarter   Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district   Pancras
Inferred County   London
Volume   1b
Page   227

Records on Page   4

Maria and Patrick had no children (or if they did, none survived infancy). By 1889 she had remarried to William Jelley Davies, with who she had 4 children, born between 1890 and 1896, with:

Record details
Name   Maria Sullivan Ware
Gender   Female
Marriage Age   30
Birth Date   1859
Marriage Date   10 Jul 1889
Marriage Place   Stratford, St John, Essex, England
Father   William Guinee
Spouse   William Davies

However, it also appears that she married William in 1895 too?

Name   Maria Sullivan
Gender   Female
Marriage Age   35
Record Type   Marriage
Birth Date   1860
Marriage Date   9 Sep 1895
Marriage Place   St Martin, Kentish Town, Camden, England
Father   William Guinnce
Spouse   William Davis Jelley
Register Type   Parish Register

In the second marriage, she is listed as a widow. I do not know why she is recorded as having married  William twice (I am almost certain both records belong to her).

I am looking to find out what happened to Patrick, who I can find absolutely no trace of (excluding his marriage record). Maria Guinnee (whose name is spelled many ways across records) was Irish (born in Limerick), and whilst Patrick O'Sullivan is certainly an Irish name, Ware is an English surname.

Can anyone help? I'm happy to provide extra information if needed.

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Re: Who was Patrick O'Sullivan Ware?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 30 August 22 20:15 BST (UK) »
Do you have the 1882 marriage cert for his age/occupation/fathers name

If he was a mariner - he may have died at sea
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Re: Who was Patrick O'Sullivan Ware?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 30 August 22 20:20 BST (UK) »
Do you have the 1882 marriage cert for his age/occupation/fathers name

If he was a mariner - he may have died at sea

I'm actually researching this tree for somebody else, and as Patrick is just the first husband of their great-grandmother rather than a direct relative, I don't think they'll be willing to pay for the marriage certificate. This is just personal curiosity of mine. If Patrick's identity is impossible to work out without the certificate, I'll just let it go.

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Re: Who was Patrick O'Sullivan Ware?
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 30 August 22 22:24 BST (UK) »
Maybe it was the 7 year thing - 1882-1889 - she hadn't seen or heard from Patrick in that time and presumed him deceased :-\

Then in 1895 some information came to light about his death to confirm she was a widow so she married again?  Just speculation. 
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Re: Who was Patrick O'Sullivan Ware?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 31 August 22 13:19 BST (UK) »
Interesting ...
1889 marriage:  he is "William DAVIES". (Father is "William Davies, a Labourer, dec'd)
The 1895 marriage: he's "William Davis JELLEY" (Father is William JELLEY, a Drover)

1889 marriage, she is "Maria Sullivan WARE", 2nd marriage she's "Maria SULLIVAN"

Witnesses on first one in 1889: Thomas Davies & Frances E Jelley

1895 Witnesses appear to be William  Guinnee (?sp) and Frances Elizabeth Jelley



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Re: Who was Patrick O'Sullivan Ware?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 31 August 22 14:42 BST (UK) »
previous post about William Davies Jelley, lot of ground covered in this.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=865299.msg7355188#msg7355188

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Re: Who was Patrick O'Sullivan Ware?
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 31 August 22 17:43 BST (UK) »
Interesting ...
1889 marriage:  he is "William DAVIES". (Father is "William Davies, a Labourer, dec'd)
The 1895 marriage: he's "William Davis JELLEY" (Father is William JELLEY, a Drover)

1889 marriage, she is "Maria Sullivan WARE", 2nd marriage she's "Maria SULLIVAN"

Witnesses on first one in 1889: Thomas Davies & Frances E Jelley

1895 Witnesses appear to be William  Guinnee (?sp) and Frances Elizabeth Jelley

Yes, there is a lot of confusion with William, who I believe was adopted into the Jelley family, but was a born a Davies. I have been unable to find out anything about his biological family - perhaps the William Davies (who unlike William Jelley was a labourer) listed on the first marriage record was his biological father? It's unlikely, but not impossible.

The Sullivan vs Sullivan Ware thing is interesting. I wonder if Patrick's middle name wasn't O'Sullivan, but rather, for some reason, he had two surnames?