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Duncan Taylorb.1766, who are his ancestors
« on: Wednesday 31 August 22 09:19 BST (UK) »
Duncan Taylor b1766, who are his ancestors?
Still struggling to go back further than Duncan. Duncan Taylor/Taylour was born in Skipness abt. 1766, he was a master shoemaker. He married Annabel Campbell b.abt.1770 Skipness. The had 10 children all born in Skipness. They are Elfrieth/Euphemia b. 1792, Archibald b.1795 d.1857 Saltcoats, John b.1797, Duncan b. 1799, Catherine b.1801, Gilbert b. 1803, Mary b.1806, Robert b.1809, Annebella b.1812 and Ann b.1815. All this info from the 1841 Scotland census. Duncan Taylor b.1766 is not on the 1841 census, so he must of died before then.

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Re: Duncan Taylorb.1766, who are his ancestors
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 09 May 23 11:16 BST (UK) »
Baptisms SADDELL AND SKIPNESS http://HTTPS://WWW.SCOTLANDSPEOPLE.GOV.UK

PARENTS DUNCAN TAYLOR  & ANABBEL/ ANNABELA/ANNABELLA/ NEPS CAMPBELL

TAYLOR   CATHERINE 4/12/1801
TAYLOR   GILBERT   20/11/1803
TAYLOR   MARY   18/02/1806
TAYLOR   ROBERT   25/11/1809
TAYLOR   ANNABELA   1/03/1812
TAYLOR   ANN           21/03/1815

However no records for Elfrieth/Euphemia b. 1792, Archibald b.1795 d.1857 Saltcoats, John b.1797, Duncan b. 1799.


You mention the information came from the 1841 census but I would assume by then the family would not have all been together?

How do you know that Duncan and Annabel were born in Skipness, the records there did not begin until later and no death records until Statutory Registration began in 1855.

There are Kirk Session records for Skipness 1783 - 1833.

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Re: Duncan Taylorb.1766, who are his ancestors
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 09 May 23 13:45 BST (UK) »
Hi Colin
I am going on the info I received from a distant relative in England.
Attached is a chart that I got from said relative.
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Re: Duncan Taylorb.1766, who are his ancestors
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 09 May 23 13:52 BST (UK) »
I also found this for a Duncan Taylor

Duncan Taylor, "Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950"
Name:   Duncan Taylor
Gender:   Male
Christening Date:   08 Nov 1767
Christening Place:   DUNOON AND KILMUN,ARGYLL,SCOTLAND
Father's Name:   Robert Taylor
Mother's Name:   Mary Brown
GS Film number:   1041006
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XY84-42Q

Wonder if this could be my Duncan ?


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Re: Duncan Taylorb.1766, who are his ancestors
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 09 May 23 18:12 BST (UK) »
I note the record you mention for Duncan is on familysearch, the records for the all the children you mention are also there the missing ones spelt Taylour and they are also on SP but did not show up even when using “names that begin with”. Should have used a wild card!
One extra record:
TAYLOUR   DONALD   DUNCAN TAYLOUR/ANNAPLE CAMPBELL    24/03/1799   

I have found the 1841 census and other information for Archibald but no trace of the family in 1851?

ARCHIBALD TAYLOR   MARRIED   CATHERINE SINCLAIR   26/02/1825   ARDROSSAN

TAYLOR   ARCHIBALD   DIED AGE 63 (1794)   MOTHER - CAMPBELL   1857   ARDROSSAN

The 1851 census might give his correct place of birth, I mention this because there was another record for an ARCHIBALD TAYLOR, PARENTS DONALD TAYLOR/JANET CAMPBELL 7/04/1793 ROTHESAY?

1841 Quay Street, Saltcoats – The 3 with dates on SP born Ardrossan.

TAYLOR   Archibald   45   Merchant Seaman   Out of County
TAYLOR   Catherine   40      Out of County
TAYLOR   Archibald   14   Merchant Seaman Apprentice 14/03/1827   Ayrshire
TAYLOR   Elizabeth   10   08/03/1829   
TAYLOR   Annabella   8   22/05/1831   
TAYLOR   Peter   6      Ayrshire
TAYLOR   Duncan   4      Ayrshire
TAYLOR   Margaret   2      Ayrshire
SINCLAIR   Margaret   25   Female Servant   Out of County
STALCHAR   Grace   10      Out of County

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Re: Duncan Taylorb.1766, who are his ancestors
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 09 May 23 18:48 BST (UK) »
Census returns mentioned on https://www.freecen.org.uk Years covered varies place to place.

CHRISTINA MCLEAN   MARRIED   JOHN TAYLOR    12/10/1824   GREENOCK NEW OR MIDDLE


MARY TAYLOR   MARRIED   JOHN MCMILLAN   18/12/1824   SADDELL AND SKIPNESS

1841 Village Of Skipness (not there 1851)?
MACMILLAN   Mary   F   35      Argyllshire   
MACMILLAN   Christian   F   15      Argyllshire   
MACMILLAN   Cathrine   F   13      Argyllshire   
MACMILLAN   Betty   F   11      Argyllshire   
MACMILLAN   John   M   9      Argyllshire   
MACMILLAN   Duncan   M   7      Argyllshire   
MACMILLAN   Anne   F   4      Argyllshire   
MACMILLAN   Mary   F   2      Argyllshire   

ANN TAYLOR   MARRIED   MALCOM MCCALLUM   31/05/1835   SADDELL AND SKIPNESS

1841 Oragaig, Skipness (not there 1851)?
MCCALLUM   Malcom   40   Fisherman   Argyllshire   
MCCALLUM   Ann   25      Argyllshire   
MCCALLUM   Archibald   5      Argyllshire   
MCCALLUM   Neil   3      Argyllshire   
MCCALLUM   John   6m      Argyllshire   

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Re: Duncan Taylorb.1766, who are his ancestors
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 09 May 23 20:06 BST (UK) »
Yes all that you have given is the right family. Thanks for Mary and Ann's family info.

According to a naming pattern of the children one would think Archibald would be the name of Duncan Taylor/Taylour b.1766 father and his mother's name would be Catharine. Unless the Scots did not follow that naming pattern.
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Re: Duncan Taylorb.1766, who are his ancestors
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 10 May 23 10:46 BST (UK) »
Scottish Naming Pattern.
First son was named after his father's father
Second son was named after his mother's father
Third son was named after his father

First daughter was named for her mother's mother
Second daughter was named for her father's mother
Third daughter was named after her mother
Other daughters were named after other family members

Naming patterns can help but don't be misled into thinking that any of this is a hard and fast rule. In this instance like many others where records are limited they may have be recorded and if they  were not all records survived.

You might fin this helpful. https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/ARL/SaddellAndSkipness


The only record I can see on SP in Scotland for Annabella below.

ANNABELLA CAMPBELL      DONALD CAMPBELL   29/07/1774   SOUTHEND, ARGYYL

The one you posted, seems to be their only child?
TAYLOR   DUNCAN   ROBERT TAYLOR/MARY BROWN    08/11/1767   DUNOON AND KILMUN

There is also this for Duncan.

TAYLOR DUNCAN - ARCHIBALD TAYLOR - K/CATHARINE THOMSON   12/04/1763   ROTHESAY, BUTE. Also sons John, Archibald & George.

Colin

PS: The record for Donald born 1799, which I posted, is the correct record, there is no Duncan.
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Re: Duncan Taylorb.1766, who are his ancestors
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 10 May 23 15:35 BST (UK) »
That about Donald and Duncan has confuse the relatives and myself. One would think that one of the sons would be named after their grandfather Duncan.
Thanks for your help Colin.
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