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The crazy mixed up Winns and Winds
« on: Thursday 01 September 22 18:00 BST (UK) »
I have suddenly hit a big stumbling block and really could do with some expert help.
My family line which I thought was Ok, is now maybe out the window with a whole new option.
This is what I had and thought was correct.

1
(My grandfather)
Arthur Gerald Winn, 22 Aug 1898 - 04 Jun 1966 Pelton Fell, Durham
Married to Olive Graham Smith, abt 1906 - 14 Mar 1975, Western Australia

2
Thomas Winn , bef 02 Mar 1864 - abt 07 Mar 1936 Perkinsville, Durham
Married to Louisa Jane Murray 28 Apr 1872 - 28 Mar 1962, Pelton Fell, Durham

3
Thomas Winn ,abt 12 May 1839 - 20 Jun 1893
Married to Hannah Parker abt 1838 - 16 Sep 1920

4
John Winn abt 1814 - 25 May 1879, Birtley, Northside, Durham
Married to Jane Pallister, abt 1813 - abt Jun 1893, Birtley, Durham

5
Thomas Winn formerly Wynne, Born about 20 Oct 1776 in Fatfield, Durham, England
Married to  Mary Winn formerly Blakey, Born 1 Aug 1789 in Bingley, Yorkshire, England

6
William Winn formerly Wynne, Born about 7 Apr 1751 in Gateshead, Durham, England
Married to Isabella Winn formerly Curley, Born about 1752 in Durham, England


The records were sourced from records on Archives.com, Familysearch and Myheritage. Other Wikitree members had a similar result.
BUT, now the fun part. There has been an edit on a well established tree (Familysearch, that has REMOVED M Blakey and introduced a John Wind Margaret Teasdale between the previous levls 4 and 5.Not only that, but the rest of the tree (5 & 6) are now no longer in play.
A whole new line is proposed and appears to be backed up by a DNA trace of some family.

Now it appears that the tree is sort of....
4
John Winn abt 1814 - 25 May 1879, Birtley, Northside, Durham
Married to Jane Pallister, abt 1813 - abt Jun 1893, Birtley, Durham

5    
John Wind abt 1767 - abt 1864 Lamesley, Durham
Married to Margaret [Wind formerly Teasdale Born about 1770 in Lamesley, Durham, England

John's Family...
The line continues with his parents as William Wind and Mary Hind
Spouse : Margaret Teasdale
Children: Mary Ann Winn Martin Wind Margaret Wind Ann Wind Elizabeth Winn Henry Wind Ralph Wind MARGARET WINN John Winn


So, in a word, I am lost and somewhat confused.
The Winns, Whinns, Winds, Wynnes are a messy difficult bunch to sift, especially when you are a novice like myself.

Questions :
Am I dealing with the same Names (John Winn/Wind on different trees?
Is this new Wind/Teasdale likely to be correct, I think it is, but I am now quite confused.
If the Thoma Winn/Wynne of Fatfield a different Winn line that I can (for now) exclude.

I appreciate any insight into this suddenly changed line.
Winn, Wynne, Wynd, Wind, Winde

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Re: The crazy mixed up Winns and Winds
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 01 September 22 18:32 BST (UK) »
First & foremost - do your own research from info YOU know is correct.  The number of trees on various sites are not always well researched & can result in a lot of confusion plus wasted time & effort.

Olive Graham Smith was b 1909 Gateshead -see www.freebmd.org.uk

When & where did they marry?  Which of their children are you descended from?


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Re: The crazy mixed up Winns and Winds
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 01 September 22 18:51 BST (UK) »
Olive G Smith married Edward Arthur Ritzema 1933 - see freebmd

Olive Graham Ritzema b 1909 died 1946 Northumberland

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp
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Re: The crazy mixed up Winns and Winds
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 01 September 22 19:09 BST (UK) »
There is no death in Durham in 1966 for Arthur under either spelling

If all the info you have posted above comes from other peoples trees rather than your own knowledge - then stop now.

Arthur Gerald Winn did not marry Olive Graham Smith so was he your paternal or maternal grandfather?

What is the name & birthyear & birthplace of your mother/father
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Re: The crazy mixed up Winns and Winds
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 01 September 22 21:39 BST (UK) »
Hi, well, I am sorry I did not include all info, it would have been be too much to paste.
Your comments on doing my own research are great and accepted. However I have, and the records to level 4 or researched and correct. In fact are confirmed in other trees.
I may have missed pasting more relevent info, sorry.
Nana Ollie (Olive Smith) did marry Artur Gerald. Both passed away in Collie Australia, this is my own first hand knowledge as well as confirmed records. All to level 4 as I said are correct, I actually met Arthurs sister in UK (children and siblings are not listed to save space).
The records I have located do confirm and are good until Level 4 up to the marriage to Jane pallister. At the original Level 5, Archives.com and Myheritage records seemed to confirm the progression to John Winn and Mary Blakey. Now that seems in question at this point.

I have set up an excel file to list all possible options along with children via census info to try and match the progression, but this is very new to me. Hence my request to help tease apart which way the line goes, to Blakey or Teasdale.

Im sure I will get there, but maybe there are folk that have had "Winn" experience that can assist as many have the same forenames and the same family has different surname spellings / very confusing. My apologies if I come across as wanting to get help without putting in the work.
Im still struggling with Winn, Wind, Whin, Wynne etc.

Best regards.
Winn, Wynne, Wynd, Wind, Winde

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Re: The crazy mixed up Winns and Winds
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 01 September 22 21:46 BST (UK) »
Olive was not the Olive Graham Smith b 1909 England.  Tree on Ancestry say she was b 1906 Australia

Your opening post gives the impression that Arthur Gerald Winn died 4.6.1966 Pelton Durham & Olive 1975 Australia

There is no marriage in England between Arthur & Olive so assume they married in Australia - is that correct?  A tree on Ancestry says they married 1928 Bunbury Australia

Arthur G Winn 87 Wharncliffe St South Pelaw Chester(probably should read Chester Le Street) emigrated 30.1.1923 Freemantle.  Aged 24 occ farm worker



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« Reply #6 on: Thursday 01 September 22 21:57 BST (UK) »
There is this entry in 1921 for the Earl of Durnham Lodge Chester Le Street

Initiation date 4.5.1921
Arthur Gerald Winn occ bank clerk aged 23

Strange he should go from bank clerk to farm worker
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Re: The crazy mixed up Winns and Winds
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 01 September 22 22:16 BST (UK) »
A tree on Ancestry shows Arthur Gerald Winn was the father of Gerald Winn Rigby b 15.12.1921 Gateshead - mother Margaret Rigby

Gerald died 1994 Gateshead
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Re: The crazy mixed up Winns and Winds
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 01 September 22 23:30 BST (UK) »

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John Winn abt 1814 - 25 May 1879, Birtley, Northside, Durham
Married to Jane Pallister, abt 1813 - abt Jun 1893, Birtley, Durham


Have you seen the parish register marriage entry for John and Jane to check names of witnesses who may be siblings/parents?

Debra  :)