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Sourcing Wind/Wynn and spouse
« on: Monday 12 September 22 11:41 BST (UK) »
Hi Folks, firstly, thank you for pointing me in the right directions.

I would appreciate some source assistance. Debra and Neale have shown that :
John WINN marriage to Jane PALLISTER, 8 Nov 1834 Chester-le Street.
(Jane PALLISTER baptism 31 Jul 1814 Holy Trinity, Washington, Durham
Parents Mary and Thomas (occ: husbandman) abode Havannah ).
Can someone please help with a source for Janes Birth or baptism, it would be great to just tick that off.

Secondly, I think I agree with Dundee and Neale, that Henry Wind/Wynd/Wynne married to Isabella Hutchinson is the correct link to my tree. I find these records on Myheritage and Familysearch, but without sources. Is there any possibility of a source for either or both of these? I understand Im asking a lot. I think I agree that "my" John Wynne was born 1812 Gateshead. as Neale pointed out, a John WYNNE had a father Henry Wynne, a pitman from Lamesley, and mother Isabella Hutchinson.

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Parents Henry WYND / WYNNE and Isabella HUTCHINSON
Children baptised Gateshead.
•   Mary 1796
•   George 1801 (born 1797)
•   Edward 1801 (born 1801)
•   Henry 1805 (born 1802)
•   Isabella 1805
•   Thomas 1807
•   William 1810
•   John 1812

Isabella HUTCHINSON was baptised 17 Feb 1771 - the daughter of Edward HUTCHINSON from Gateshead. Isabella was buried 2 Jan 1833 Gateshead

But thirdly, as I am still a bit green, at what point can one assume that census records are a "proof" using actual birth/baptism records. I understand that these records (B/B) can give parental names.
I have been mislead so many times by Familysearch where sources are lacking. I even have found that TheGenealogist has incorrect transcriptions of records, also Myheritage has amazingly given a spouse (Hannah Parker) of a later marriage as a child of an earlier Wynne marriage ;D
So until I win lotto to by better subscriptions, I'm sorry but I must ask silly questions.
Best regards
Winn, Wynne, Wynd, Wind, Winde

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Re: Sourcing Wind/Wynn and spouse
« Reply #1 on: Monday 12 September 22 12:14 BST (UK) »
Jane's bapt is on FreeREG, so taken from Parish Records.

Siblings:
HANNAH 17 Jan 1813 same details as Jane
MARY ANN 05 Jan 1817, same address but Thomas now a Butcher

Marriage in 1834 is there also.

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Re: Sourcing Wind/Wynn and spouse
« Reply #2 on: Monday 12 September 22 12:21 BST (UK) »
Hi Trish. Thank you so much, I had assumed that Freereg did not include dates past 1837.
So much to learn. I have the record. Thank you.
Winn, Wynne, Wynd, Wind, Winde

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Re: Sourcing Wind/Wynn and spouse
« Reply #3 on: Monday 12 September 22 12:28 BST (UK) »
You may be confusing FreeREG with FreeBMD?

www.freereg.org.uk

I've added a bit more now to my 1st post :)
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Re: Sourcing Wind/Wynn and spouse
« Reply #4 on: Monday 12 September 22 12:38 BST (UK) »
Possible Marriage Chester le Street 1807 Thomas PALLISTER/Mary BLACKBURN

A child bapt there;

THOMAS Pallister 26 Mar 1809 (birth 19 Dec 1808)
Parents Thomas/Mary Pallister, mother nee Blackburn
Father a Butcher
Note;
1st Son. Father Native of Lanchester by his wife Native of Heddon on the Wall Northumberland

So seems to fit with next bapts Washington .

Then back to Chester le Street more bapts;
MARGARET 17 Jul 1819
PETER 12 Nov 1820
Father a Butcher, abode Birtleyside

EDIT +;
JOHN CUTHBERT 29 Aug 1824
WILLIAM 12 Nov 1826

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Re: Sourcing Wind/Wynn and spouse
« Reply #5 on: Monday 12 September 22 12:40 BST (UK) »
Hi
Thomas and Mary Pallister the witnesses to the 1834 signed their names so you could compare signatures with the 1807 marriage for them.
ps John's baptism at Gateshead on FindMyPast
John Wynne 24.9.1812 son of Henry pitman of Lamesley and Isabella d of Edward Hutchinson of Gateshead.
Guessing death at Lamesley
Henry Wynd of Wreckington age 66 31.5.1832 could be your man again on FindMyPast


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Re: Sourcing Wind/Wynn and spouse
« Reply #6 on: Monday 12 September 22 12:47 BST (UK) »
I didnt use the soundex option so may be more children under Palister etc.

If this is correct 1841 in Queen St, Kelloe
we have'
Thomas PALLISTER 70 Butcher
Mary 55
Mary 20
Peter 20 Coal Lab
John 15 Miner
William 14
Robert 12

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« Reply #7 on: Monday 12 September 22 13:02 BST (UK) »
1851 in Birtley;
John Wilde   25
Mary Ann Wilde   34****
May Ann Wilde   1
Thomas Pallister   81 Relative Butcher born Lancaster
Mary Pallister   70  Relative born Newburn
William Pallister   25 Relative born Birtley

Mary Ann may be Thomas/Marys daug but I cant see a Marriage to John Wild/e but she may have been married before given age difference?

1871 Mary has a Daug Jane;
WILD, JANE mmn PALLISTER 
GRO Reference: 1853  M Quarter in CHESTER LE STREET  Volume 10A
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Re: Sourcing Wind/Wynn and spouse
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 13 September 22 14:26 BST (UK) »
Thank you Trish and Ciderdrinker. This was so useful. I need to take this in and see where it leads me.
Thank you
Winn, Wynne, Wynd, Wind, Winde