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Re: Birth certificate for grand mother and her mother
« Reply #36 on: Friday 16 September 22 10:33 BST (UK) »
The error in transcription has been reported.
(N.B. typing error in your reply #33 - "He died in Nov 1981.")
Thanks for reporting both errors.  :) Mine has now been corrected.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
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Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Birth certificate for grand mother and her mother
« Reply #37 on: Friday 16 September 22 13:39 BST (UK) »
Hi Neale1961 and Kiltaglassan

Thank you for all the effort you have put into this.

I have emailed eGGSA. No response as yet.




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Re: Birth certificate for grand mother and her mother
« Reply #38 on: Sunday 18 September 22 03:10 BST (UK) »
I have been looking at your KELLY family. ........

Starting with information from Ellen KELLY marriage to James LANGLANDS
Her father was John F. KELLY an engineer
George Metcalfe KELLY – witness (probably brother)

Margaret KELLY died 20 Feb 1889 (maiden name WARD) age 76
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1889/06146/4755796.pdf
Wife of John Kelly a mechanical engineer. James Walshe (son-in-law) present.
Address 24 Richmond Hill
Grave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/234499328/margaret-kelly

John Francis KELLY died 29 March 1898. Age 83, mechanical engineer.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1898/05825/4649382.pdf
Daughter Ellen Langlands present. Address 23 Richmond Hill

Probate: KELLY, John Francis,  late of Richmond Hill, Cork, gentleman. Probate of the will granted to James Langlands of Glen House, merchant; and Robert Stiven of Ferncliffe Villas, esquire; both of Cork.


Marriage of John KELLY to Margaret WARD - 29 Jan 1854  Dublin city
John Kelly age 38, widower, an engineer, living in Cork, father William Kelly; occupation - smith
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1854/09469/5431463.pdf

[ Who was John’s first wife?  On Ellen’s probate her mother is named as Margaret. But according to 1901 census and her death cert, Ellen was born abt 1852. Assuming that birth year is correct, she was born before the 1854 marriage. Ellen may have been Margaret Ward’s daughter, or the daughter of John’s first wife, but the mother she never knew. ]

continued ............
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Birth certificate for grand mother and her mother
« Reply #39 on: Sunday 18 September 22 03:13 BST (UK) »
Older brother to Ellen -
George Metcalfe KELLY   Died 31 March 1877, age 33, engineer, address 24 Richmond Hill, Louis Kelly (probably brother) present at death
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1877/020543/7208694.pdf
Grave marker https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/234499315/george-metcalfe-kelly
George worked as an engineer & chief engineer on ships from around the age of 23. There are numerous crew lists for him all giving his place of birth as Dublin, and year 1844-1845.
[ If George was born 1844, it puts his father’s first marriage at early 1840s.
Thinking aloud - the second name “Metcalfe” may well be his mother’s maiden name.
]

Older Sister to Ellen -
Lizzie KELLY marriage 6 Aug 1872 to James WALSHE (Methodist)
Address 23 Richmond Hill, Cork; (witness A. Kelly)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1872/11319/8153762.pdf
1901 census (23 Richmond Hill)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/North_West_Ward/Richmond_Hill/1108784/
Death 1904 (23 Richmond Hill)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1904/05632/4584546.pdf

Younger Sister to Ellen -
Margaret Anne KELLY marriage 3 Sept 1883 to Robert STIVEN   (witness Annie Kelly)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1883/10941/5998673.pdf
1901 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/North_East_Ward/Sunmount_Terrace/1103152/
1911 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Cork_No__3_Urban/Adelaide_Terrace/385234/

It looks as if the family may have come from Dublin originally, and then moved to Cork. During the last few decades of the 1800s, there were a number from the same Kelly family living close to each other in Richmond Hill, Cork.

I don’t know what became of Louis KELLY or Annie KELLY, both witnesses at family events. I would look for Louis emigrating. Louis / Lewis was obviously an important family name. Kelly surname being so plentiful makes it challenging, but more searching may yield more results.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)


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Re: Birth certificate for grand mother and her mother
« Reply #40 on: Sunday 18 September 22 03:16 BST (UK) »
On Ellen’s death record it gives the address “Wises Distillery, Cork” for her parents John and Margaret. I could see no mention of it in the records I found for the Kelly family, but possibly John Kelly worked as an engineer at the distillery.

Wise’s Distillery (North Mall Distillery) was once one of the largest Irish whiskey distilleries in Cork. Brothers Thomas and Francis Wise founded the business in 1779. It occupied the site of the renowned old Dominican Friary which was then known as the abbey of St. Mary of the Island.
This major industry employed 250 people in its heyday.  The undertaking was totally self-sufficient having its own carpenters, engineers and coopers workshops, and its own bottling stores. A contemporary account of the business describes its magnitude and that its immense barley stores could stockpile 30,000 barrels. The mill building was an immense five storey structure, reached by passing under an archway. “The giant water wheel was 25 feet in diameter driving six pairs of stones and other machinery.” The handsome chimney stack was completed in 1878 at a cost of £5,000 and into it was diverted all the flues from the distillery.
Regrettably, the distillery’s fire prevention measures were not enough to prevent the total destruction of the production buildings in a fire on 15 January 1920.

(You will easily find some pictures of the distillery online)
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Birth certificate for grand mother and her mother
« Reply #41 on: Sunday 18 September 22 09:45 BST (UK) »
Hi Neale11961

It is amazing how much stuff you have found. Thank you for all your time and effort.

Again, a lot of information which I am slowly working through. I am slowly adding all this information to my tree which will hopefully provide a better picture eventually.
By my estimates then, we can trace back circa early 1800's which is truly impressive.

I go to Cork for work occasionally. I will go visit the brewery and touch the wall...

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Re: Birth certificate for grand mother and her mother
« Reply #42 on: Saturday 18 November 23 04:57 GMT (UK) »
Hello family,

I’m so excited to find this post and information. James Cecil Langlands is my grandfather (born 1878 Cork) he married Mary Elizabeth Saville, born 1887 Cork died 23/6/1945. I have further information on my father Len Langlands if this is helpful information

Thank you

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Re: Birth certificate for grand mother and her mother
« Reply #43 on: Friday 15 March 24 10:22 GMT (UK) »
Hi lalululuz

As in Leonard Willmore Langlands?  Then your mother would be Emmerentia ?
That is incredible. I would love to chat. I have PM'd you.


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« Reply #44 on: Friday 15 March 24 10:31 GMT (UK) »
Lalululuz will have to make several posts before they can receive or send PMs.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)