An Extreme challenge of Surname from photo of OPR's

[Jeffrey]

I know this is going to be very difficult and at a later stage may have a better copy BUT if anyone can give their opinion I would be grateful.
This is the marriage of Edmond Rumney and Margaret ?Lunar. 20th April 1663. Hesket-in-the Forest Nr. Penrith

This photo is from a Microfiche of the OPR's and what I would like to know is the surname of Margaret. In the Transcripts on every website it says LUNAR. But I question that as there are no other Lunars in the district or in wills or Marriage bonds etc. Looking at it on the phot I don't think it is.

I also posted it on the Photo restoring site to see if anyone could do anything that may give us another dimension of the letters in the name. There are a number of options.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=865843.0
I am particularly having difficulty with the first few letters. Am I right in thinking the last ones MAY be 'ner' or 'nor'? Or could it be 'der' or.............

Any ideas would be great. Thank you

Judy

[Ian Nelson]

It's not Lunar, I'm seeing a dotted 'i' in there and then ' both of this parish ??


A shorter surname like Main or Muir or Lain, I'll keep guessing, cheers, Ian

[Gadget]

It does say both, Ian.

I saw an I with an up arrow ^ below for the first letter. I've looked at various alphabets of the period but can't see anything similar.

It might end in ide

[Gadget]

I enclose a snip of the relevant part - taken from Eggy's improvement.

It looks as if it reads   ' both of this parish'

[ajm314159]

I can't see it as anything but Linde.  Is that possible? It seems a rare name, although not unknown in Cumberland, especially spelled Lind.

[sugarbakers]

Umm ... FamilySearch shows a Magaret Lidder bpt 3 May 1635 at nearby Dalston, Cumberland

[Jeffrey]

Thank you all for the replies.

Just had a look at your snip Gadget.
I am now thinking maybe the first letter could be an 'L' I had wondered if it was an 'A' I had thought the last letter was an 'r' but maybe not. But not sure at all.

Ajm - you thought Linde. Can't see any other Lindes around but some Lunds.

Think my eyes & mind are getting fuzzy with looking at it 

Really appreciate your replies and suggestions everyone.

Judy

Just seen your reply sugarbakers thanks - that is around the right time so definitely one to bear in mind but can't make Lidder out at moment

[Watson]

A tricky problem.  I'm not sure the initial capital letter is L.  The L in John Lambert looks much fancier.  This letter stands on feet and begins with a vertical stroke, but the horizontal line running above the letter has a small spot on it which may make the vertical stroke appear longer than it actually is.  We also need to imagine that some of it will have faded away.  It could be a B (comparing it with John Barker below).  R is possible, though it's not quite the same as other examples.  We don't seem to have an example of a P.

If I had to guess, I would plump for a B, but I'm not at all sure.  You may need to solve the problem by gathering information from external sources.

[Ian Nelson]

from the far left field, a possibility...
Margaret Lion, baptised 1637 at Windle ( St. Helen's )
not a million miles away ... of marriageable age in 1662
just a thought
cheers, Ian