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Offline MosesKinne

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Elizabeth Gourd
« on: Thursday 22 September 22 22:05 BST (UK) »
Hello,

I really need help to find my ancestor Elizabeth Gourd. She married James Howard 1768 in Chertsey,Surrey. On the same page is an Ann Hannah Gourd who married James Sheers. I think it’s not a coincidence and they have to be related in some way.

There’s a baptism in Westminster for an Ann Hannah Gourd daughter of William and Anne born 1748. I can’t see one for Elizabeth. The  only  possibility is a baptism in Kingston-upon-Thames 1749 daughter of William and Anne.

Elizabeth Howard nee Gourd died in 1816 born around 1746.

There’s also a Burial for an Anthony Gourd 1767 in Chertsey. Maybe a relative or maybe the first husband of Elizabeth?

Can someone help please ?


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Re: Elizabeth Gourd
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 22 September 22 23:41 BST (UK) »
I do agree, that Elizabeth GOURD and Ann Hannah GOURD who marry about a month apart in Chertsey, are most likely related. Both sign their name, indicating some level of education, and therefore possibly some family wealth.
Have you found any mention of the occupation of the William GOURD you think is the father?
Have you looked further into the witnesses at the marriages?
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland)

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Re: Elizabeth Gourd
« Reply #2 on: Friday 23 September 22 02:30 BST (UK) »
There are a few mentions of William GOURD in newspapers around this time. One is advertising a "Caravan" which he will drive from Kingston upon Thames for passengers around 1749-1750. There is also a William GOURD, "late of Kingston ... Farmer" in debtor's prison in Southwark in 1761. Not sure if this is the same person.

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Re: Elizabeth Gourd
« Reply #3 on: Friday 23 September 22 06:24 BST (UK) »
Now looking at the baptism dates for those 2 women, makes me think the dates are too close together for them to be sisters.

Ann Hannah GOURD bapt 4 Nov 1748 (born 18 Oct 1748) St. Martin in the Fields, Westminster

Elizabeth GOURD bapt 7 Mar 1749 Kingston Upon Thames, Surrey

There do seem to be quite a few GOURD families in the Surrey area - surprising it seems to be a more common name than I expected.


Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland)


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Re: Elizabeth Gourd
« Reply #4 on: Friday 23 September 22 07:57 BST (UK) »
James Howard and Elizabeth Gourd married by license not banns

Does the license still exist?

It may answer your question if Elizabeth was a widow

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it was 23 November 1769

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Re: Elizabeth Gourd
« Reply #5 on: Friday 23 September 22 11:19 BST (UK) »
@Neale1961

Yes I agree, the signatures of the two Gourd women are also quiet similar in my opinion. I haven’t looked at the witnesses or the possible father William Gourd yet. I’m just working with ancestry at the moment.

Yes you right the dates are very close so maybe a different couple  ???


@amondg

Im not familiar with marriages by license or where I can find these kind documents to be honest

It would be interesting to know who Anthony Gourd was , maybe a husband, possible father or a brother

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Re: Elizabeth Gourd
« Reply #6 on: Friday 23 September 22 12:01 BST (UK) »
Now looking at the baptism dates for those 2 women, makes me think the dates are too close together for them to be sisters.

The Kingston baptism on 7 March 1749 was in 1750 in today's money.
https://www.historytoday.com/archive/gregorian-calendar-adopted-england

After March 1749 the register then goes to baptisms in April 1750.
So nearly 17 months after Ann Hannah was born.

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Re: Elizabeth Gourd
« Reply #7 on: Friday 23 September 22 16:03 BST (UK) »
Just before those two marriages, a baptism in Chertsey
11 October 1769
Sukey Daughter of Hannah Gourde (a Bastard)

Possible burial at Ockham, 20 Nov 1779 :-\
Suckey Sheers, age 10

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Re: Elizabeth Gourd
« Reply #8 on: Friday 23 September 22 20:00 BST (UK) »
Looks like I'm going to be blanked again by MosesKinne (despite my previous help to OP on Sussex queries, including finding wills)
Topic: Richard Dukes
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=824772.0

Elizabeth Gourd has already been looked at in the James Howard thread
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=823296.0