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Great Grandfather birth confusion
« on: Tuesday 27 September 22 17:48 BST (UK) »
My great Grandfather's birth is a mystery. Throughout his life, he has used many different variations of what I think is his name - John Edward Thornton Chappell.

He is one of 9 siblings (6 of them survived to childhood) and all of them, I've found births for. Based on census data, his age at his death and his siblings' birth, I know that he could not be born until February 1882 at the earliest and March/April 1884.
I've search for his birth under John Chappell/John Edward Chappell/John Thornton Chappell. He must have a birth certificate as he married three times.

The only piece of information I have about his birth is a scrap of paper which he has put his birth date as the 2nd of November 1882 but there is no birth record for him.

The rest of his siblings were either born in Bristol or Stapleton, Gloucestershire.

What is also puzzling is that he is nowhere to be seen in the 1890 census.

I've tried ancestry, find-my-past and FreeBMD.

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Re: Great Grandfather birth confusion
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 27 September 22 18:06 BST (UK) »
He would not have needed a birth certificate to get married.

Where have you found him in census entries? What are the names of his parents & siblings?
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Great Grandfather birth confusion
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 27 September 22 18:12 BST (UK) »
Is the family at 1881 2506/22/35
Stapleton
Mark and Johanna Chappell parents
6 children including
John Chappell 6 yrs born abt 1875.

If it is your family, have you followed this John?
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Re: Great Grandfather birth confusion
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 27 September 22 18:19 BST (UK) »
That family are here in 1891 1980/111

Mark is a widower
Florence 17 yrs
John 16 yrs
Charles 14 yrs
Alfred 11yrs
William P, 10 yrs
Edwin W 8 yrs b Bristol

Is Edwin W your ancestor?

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Re: Great Grandfather birth confusion
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 27 September 22 18:24 BST (UK) »
GRO Birth Index Search Facility shows a Birth

John Robert Chapple - March Quarter 1884 Bristol  Vol 6a page 22  Mother's Maiden Name = May
CHAPMAN ROBINSON McKAY O'MALLEY

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Re: Great Grandfather birth confusion
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 27 September 22 18:33 BST (UK) »
<He is one of 9 siblings (6 of them survived to childhood) and all of them, I've found births for>

Then can you tell us the parent's names please, so we could search for baptisms at least 1880-1885
Somerset: Poole, Hutchings/Hutchin(s), Harvey/Harvie, Bullen

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Re: Great Grandfather birth confusion
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 27 September 22 18:36 BST (UK) »
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=866208.msg7366115#msg7366115

another post showing that John Edward Thornton Chappell married in Henley. DOB from free search on 1939 register is 2 Nov 1885 but his wife is younger so year might not be correct.

Possible first marriage in 1909 gives his father as Charles Chappell.
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Great Grandfather birth confusion
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 27 September 22 19:08 BST (UK) »
You haven't said his Siblngs Names or their Births or Mother's Maiden Names and when born
A Charles Chapple married in Clifton in in1874  a Stevens or King
CHAPMAN ROBINSON McKAY O'MALLEY