charles Andrew Baker b. 1836 Southwark

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Hi

I wonder if anyone can help me.  I've just seen on my Ancestry DNA that someone has Charles Andrew Baker b 1836 in Southwark as the father of a person on my father's tree:  Emily Baker b.1862 Holborn.

I have a different father for her James Baker b.1835 Hackney.  He was married to Catherine Davies b.1837 Finchley.  I had him down as her father because his job and place living matched Emily's wedding certificate.  See my notes below.

On wedding certificate Emily was living at 62 Whitethorn Street, Father JaMes Baker, Cab Proprietor.

In 1911 census it says that Emily was born in Kings Cross.

however for a long while now I have thought that i have this wrong.  I'm getting no matches before Emily and I think her siblings aren't right.

Emily married Richard Henry Thompson born 14 Jan 1854 in Hale Street East Peckham Kent.  I have the wedding cert.  On his notes i have : In 1891 Niece Eveline Nunn aged 8 born Forest Gate was living with Richard and his wife Emily. 

i believe Eveline Nunn is the key in finding Enily's family?  can anyone help at all please.  Many thanks

Diana

[rosie99]

On wedding certificate Emily was living at 62 Whitethorn Street, Father JaMes Baker, Cab Proprietor.

In 1911 census it says that Emily was born in Kings Cross.

Emily married Richard Henry Thompson born 14 Jan 1854 in Hale Street East Peckham Kent.  I have the wedding cert.  On his notes i have : In 1891 Niece Eveline Nunn aged 8 born Forest Gate was living with Richard and his wife Emily. 

Hi Diana, You have posted on How to use rootschat, I have asked the Mods to move it 

There is a birth registration in Holborn in 1863 that needs eliminating
BAKER, EMILY       mmn BULLOCK 
GRO Reference: 1863  June Quarter in OF HOLBORN  Volume 01B  Page 520

Name:   Emily Baker
Gender:   Female
Age:   4
Birth Date:   24 Feb 1863
Baptism Date:   13 Feb 1868
Baptism Place:   St Matthew, Great Peter Street, London, England
Parents Charles & Ann (Fathers occ Butcher?) So that does not tie in with Emily's marriage

[Christine53]

Ethel Eveline NUNN , mmn BAKER , 4  1882 West Ham 4a 74

Might fit with your Eveline Nunn.

[Christine53]

Possible siblings for Ethel Eveline NUNN :

Emily Ethel 1880
Horace Charles 1886
James Samuel  1887
Nellie 1884
 All registered West Ham with mother's name BAKER.

Sarah Clara 1872 Romford
Sidney Alfred 1873 Romford

1881 census in West Ham :

Alfred H. Nunn   29
Eliza A. Nunn   30
Clara S. Nunn   9
Sydney A. Nunn   8
George S. Nunn   6
Ada L. Nunn   5
Samuel J. Nunn   3
Emily E. Nunn   1
RG11; Piece: 1711; Folio: 30; Page: 49

Marriage
Alfred Oliver  NUNN and Eliza Ann BAKER  Holborn 1 1871 1B 713

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The marriage you quote is on ancestry

Richard Thompson is 20 years old on 2 August 1885 so born circa 1864/5
Emily Baker is 21 born circa 1862/64

1891 census
Richard Thompson 25 railway carman born Kent
Emily 28  born London
Eveline Nunn 8 niece born Forrest Gate

The Richard Thompson you have born 1854 in Kent is 10 years older

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The witnesses at the wedding Samuel and Sarah Hollingsworth are they related?

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Richard Henry Thompson registered Malling Kent 1865 Illegitimate no mothers maiden name given.

Malling district covers West Peckham.

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This is the only Emily Baker I have found so far with father James a cab driver

Emily Baker bap.31 August 1862 baptized at Holy Trinity Camden born 5 August 1862

address 3 Gough Street

Father James William Baker cab driver mother Eliza Anne

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Possible siblings for Emily

Eliza Harriet Mary 1850 Bethnal Green
James William 1852 St George in the East
Mary Ann 1854
Harriett Sarah 1857
Elizabeth Ann 1859
*Emily 1862 St Pancras
Alice 1864 Islington

[Annette7]

Possible siblings for Emily

Eliza Harriet Mary 1850 Bethnal Green
James William 1852 St George in the East
Mary Ann 1854
Harriett Sarah 1857
Elizabeth Ann 1859
*Emily 1862 St Pancras
Alice 1864 Islington

I agree with this completely - birth entries all show mmn as Surridge.

However, cannot find a marriage between James William Baker and Eliza Ann/e Surridge.

I believe that Eliza Harriet Mary (as registered) morphed into Eliza Ann (who married Alfred Oliver Nunn 1871).   In 1861 she is in Romford with her paternal grandmother Sarah Ann (who married Samuel Hunt 1848 Bethnal Green.

James William born 1852, died 1855
Harriet Sarah born 1857, died 1858

By 1871 father James William Baker is a widower in Mile End.

James Baker married Sarah Ann Conway 10/6/1827 Barking, Essex and son James William bp.17/2/1828 Romford.  Looks like father James was buried same year on 25/9/1828.   

In 1841 Sarah Baker is a victualler with her sons James Baker 14 and John Conway bc.1824 (the latter presumably illegitimate).

So, in conclusion, Eliza Ann Baker and Emily Baker were sisters.

Annette