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Will of Peter Leytie 1617 Cornwall - need assistance please
« on: Monday 24 October 22 20:54 BST (UK) »
I've been trying to decipher the latin for months now; my brain is exhausted. I recognize that this type of paragraph is common in many Wills but the abbreviations and contractions are killing me. Its the Will of Peter Leytie, his widow Thamasine Leytie and the Archdeacon William Parker. This Will is of particular importance because we didn't know he had a wife named Thamasine. I've attached the Will and my translation in Word. Thank you.
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Re: Will of Peter Leytie 1617 Cornwall - need assistance please
« Reply #1 on: Monday 24 October 22 21:29 BST (UK) »
Latin not my strong suit.

Line C.
.......................... in Comitatu p(re)d(icto) Agricolam

Line G.
attornato hered Executor ............

The 'pod' abbreviation that comes after Leytie at the end of the first line, and also the first word of the third line, (following on from Leytie at the end of the second line), I suspect is an abbreviation for the Latin term for 'parish'. According to Google translate, this is 'parochialis'.
That would make sense.

Agricolam - farmer
hered - heir

Hopefully a Latin expert will be along soon

Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Will of Peter Leytie 1617 Cornwall - need assistance please
« Reply #2 on: Monday 24 October 22 23:40 BST (UK) »
It's not a will, but an administration bond. A bond is a promise to do something, against a penalty for default.

The widow Thamasina Leytie, supported by Pascoe Leytie (no relationship stated), is undertaking to administer the estate of her deceased husband in accordance with the law, against a penalty of 40 marks for any default.

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Noverint universi p(er) p(rese)ntes Nos Thamasina(m) Leytie p(ar)o(chie) de
Peranuthno in Com(itatu) Cornub(ie) vid(uam) et Pascatiu(m) Leytie
p(ar)o(chie) de Peran’ p(re)d(icto in Comitatu p(re)d(icto) Agricolam
teneri et firmit(er) obligari Will(el)mo Parker sacre theologie bacch(alar)io
Archinatus Cornubie Archi(diac)ono in quadraginta marcis bone et legalis
monete Anglie solvend(is) eidem Will(el)mo Parker aut suo c(er)to in hac p(arte)
attornato hered(ibus) Executor(ibus) administratoribus successoribus vel assignat(is)
suis. Ad quam quidem soluc(i)o(n)em bene et fidelit(er) faciend(am) obligam(us) no(s)
utri(us)q(ue) n(ost)ru(m) p(er) se p(ro) toto et in solido heredes executores et adm[inistratores]
n(ost)ros firmit(er) p(er) p(rese)ntes  Sigillis n(ost)ris sigillat(us)  Dat(um) xvo die
Decembris Anno Regni Dom(ini) n(ost)ri Jacobi dei grac(ia) Anglie Francie et
Hibernie reg(is) fidei defensor(is) &c decimo quinto et Scotie quinqua(-)
gesimo primo Annoq(ue) Domini 1617


May everyone know by these presents that we, Thamasina Leytie of the parish of Perranuthnoe in the county of Cornwall, widow, and Pascoe Leytie of the aforesaid parish of Peran’ in the aforesaid county, farmer, are held and firmly bound to William Parker, Bachelor of Sacred Theology, Archdeacon of the Archdeaconry of Cornwall, in (the sum of) forty marks of good and lawful money of England, to be paid to the same William Parker, or to his certain attorney in this matter, his heirs, executors, administrators, successors or assigns; for this payment well and faithfully to be made we bind ourselves, and each one of us for himself, for the whole and undivided (sum), and (we bind) our heirs, executors and administrators firmly by these presents; sealed with our seals; dated the 15th day of December in the fifteenth year of the reign of our lord James, by the grace of God King of England, France and Ireland, Defender of the Faith etc., and of Scotland the fifty-first, and in the year of the Lord 1617.

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Re: Will of Peter Leytie 1617 Cornwall - need assistance please
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 25 October 22 01:50 BST (UK) »
omgosh! my mind is blown! Who the heck is Pascoe? The wrapper and Inventory that accompanies this admin bond is for sure Peter Leytie, the deceased. I will take this back to our One Name Study group - they will definitely be blown away. Thank you so much Bookbox and Goldie61!!
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Re: Will of Peter Leytie 1617 Cornwall - need assistance please
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 25 October 22 21:00 BST (UK) »
There are some interesting 'hits' on MyHeritage.

'Thamsyn Leytye' baptised 15 Dec 1570, father 'Pers', mother Elizabeth.
'Pers Leyty' buried Aug 1st 1610 Perranuthnoe, Cornwall.
Married twice. No name for first wife. Second wife Elizabeth . I suspect these names have been taken from the baptisms of the children in the parish register.
Several other children for 'Pers'.  John, 1563, Bennett, Sicelye, Thomas, Tristram, Katherine, Joan, Agnes, and Richard, 1592. Some of the later baptisms have 'Leytye or Tailer' as the surname

Surname spellings; Laity, Laytye, Leyty, etc

No images for these, so all from transcriptions presumably from the parish register.

Another hit says 'Pers' Leyty's wife was 'Tamsyn Bennett'.

And yet another one says Tamsyn Bennett, wife of 'Pers Leytie' was baptised 8th April 1545 at Saint Columb Major, Cornwall, father William Bennett.


Is this your family?

Added:
Unfortunately the parish registers are still only on film on familysearch so not digitised and searchable on-line , and the Bishop's transcripts film, which is, doesn't start until the early 1600s.
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Will of Peter Leytie 1617 Cornwall - need assistance please
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 25 October 22 22:08 BST (UK) »
Also found a marriage of a Pascoe Symonds to Margaret Layty 26th Oct 1617.
The date of December 15th 1617 of Peter's administration will be that of the date of probate.
This is just a couple of months after the marriage of Pascoe and Margaret.

Margaret Leyty (born 1596), seems to be the daughter of Thomas born 1573, son of Pers according to a tree on familysearch
This Thomas has several children, including a Pers in 1611, a Benedict born 1601, and a Tristran born 1607, so these fairly unusual names would seem to match up with those of her brothers and sisters.
That would make Margaret the grand daughter of Peter.

However, the marriage entry says 'Leytie alias Tailor', which matches with several of the other baptisms of Peter's children, so it looks more like she was another daughter of Peter, and her baptism has not been found. (Not surprising as there will be missing and unreadable pages of the parish register at this period of time).

Whether a daughter or a grand daughter, it's possible Pascoe Symonds took the name of his wife 'Leyty' after his marriage, or at least that's the name he gave when he fronted up with Thamasine for the administration of Peter's will.

Interesting!

Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Will of Peter Leytie 1617 Cornwall - need assistance please
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 25 October 22 22:21 BST (UK) »
Is the clip you posted the only document you have for Peter?
It would be interesting to see if there is anything that names his children - including a Margaret, even though there would seem to be no baptism for her.

I know Devon wills are very difficult to find as many of them were destroyed in the bombing of Exeter in WWII.
Where did you find the clip you posted?
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Will of Peter Leytie 1617 Cornwall - need assistance please
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 26 October 22 02:16 BST (UK) »
There is a Laity One Name Study group that has worked over the last 30 years to compile the ancestors. Yes, we know about Pers and Thamasine and all the others. I'm new to the group and have been transcribing the Wills and finding little nuggets of extra info.  I downloaded many Laity/Leytye  Wills and Admin bonds from Family Search and have been doing the 1800's first because they're easiest. I do have an 1616 Admin bond and Inventory for a Henry Leytie alias Tailor/Tailder but its in latin and I haven't gotten around to it yet.  Ive been told that we do have a Pascoe THOMAS alias LAYTYE 1598 Perranuthnoe - so I think that's the guy in this Admin bond 1617.
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Re: Will of Peter Leytie 1617 Cornwall - need assistance please
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 26 October 22 02:43 BST (UK) »
Is the clip you posted the only document you have for Peter?
It would be interesting to see if there is anything that names his children - including a Margaret, even though there would seem to be no baptism for her.

I know Devon wills are very difficult to find as many of them were destroyed in the bombing of Exeter in WWII.
Where did you find the clip you posted?

I downloaded as many Laity court documents from FamilySearch as I could find. The earliest ones of course are in latin and most difficult for me to transcribe as I'm a beginner and never had to deal with latin before. The abbreviations and contractions are a killer.
Cornwall Laity, Middlesex Coombes/Coombs, N.Ireland O'Neill/O'Neil