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Help please WW1 Soldier not listed on memorial
« on: Tuesday 25 October 22 17:28 BST (UK) »

Hi, there. Iíve started on a quest to find out where, if at all my great uncle is listed on any memorial in his home town of Farnworth, Bolton. There is great confusion as on one website in Bolton his details are listed as follows:- Fox, Herbert-
Son of Edward Ernest and Margaret Fox, of 18, Clelland Street, Farnworth, Bolton, Lancashire. Enlisted under-age October
1915, 5th Bn., Loyal North Lancashire Regiment.. yet on the CWGC his details are as follows :-

PRIVATE
HERBERT FOX
Service Number: 105303
ē Regiment & Unit/Ship
The King's (Liverpool Regiment)
1st Bn.
a Date of Death
Died 29 August 1918
Age 18 years old
ē Buried or commemorated at
TERLINCTHUN BRITISH CEMETERY, WIMILLE II. F. 28.
France
Country of Service
United Kingdom
Additional Info
Son of Mr. and Mrs. E. E. Fox, of Farnworth, Bolton, Lancashire.

Iím wondering if someone could please help and search the WW1 service records to confirm which regiment he served with. Iíve attached his photo and Iím convinced the cap badge is that of the Loyal North Regiment.. He isnít listed on the memorial in Bolton of the Loyal North Regiment nor does he feature on the Liverpool regiment memorial.. so confused and would be very grateful for your assistance in order that Herbert can be remembered.. Many thanks in advance..

Daubney's of Lincoln:-:Fox's of Ringley:-:Norris's of Chorley:-:Tong's of Bolton:-:Chadwick's of Leeds

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Re: Help please WW1 Soldier not listed on memorial
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 25 October 22 17:51 BST (UK) »
Over 60% of WW1 service records were destroyed in the WW2 blitz.  Those that remain are available on the subscription sites but nothing found for Herbert

You appear to have copied/pasted some of your post so you may want to edit it to make it easier to read

No photo attached


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« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 25 October 22 17:58 BST (UK) »
The Medal Roll Index for that service number shows he was awarded the British & Victory medals.  He served as a Private in the Liverpool Regiment but the MRI does not record any death

His birth was registered in the December qtr 1899
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« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 25 October 22 18:25 BST (UK) »
Good evening,

He may well have served in both regts. Many soldiers enlisted in one regt and then, because of battle casualties, were moved to another as reinforcements. So he possibly enlisted in the North Lancs, was moved to the Kings. The CWGC would have him in the regt in which he died but medals could be issued as either.

For instance my maternal grandfather enlisted in the Royal Sussex, was then moved to the Northumberland Fusiliers but his medals say Queens regt. Royal Sussex became part of the Queens regt.

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« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 25 October 22 19:01 BST (UK) »
If he enlisted in October 1915 he was underage

Between 1914 - 1916 the minimum age was 19 but in 1916 it was dropped to 18.  His birth was registered Dec 1899 so he would not have been 18 until end of 1917
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« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 25 October 22 19:23 BST (UK) »
Thank you so far for all  the information and yes he could have served in both regiments. I still need to find him on a memorial or somehow confirm he isnít on one. A local book was published listing all the fallen soldiers in WW1 from the Farnworth & Kearsley area and he isnít listed!..
Daubney's of Lincoln:-:Fox's of Ringley:-:Norris's of Chorley:-:Tong's of Bolton:-:Chadwick's of Leeds

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« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 25 October 22 19:34 BST (UK) »
There are two entries here, so different people?

http://www.inmemories.com/Cemeteries/terlincthun2.htm


FOX HERBERT
United Kingdom Private 105303 The King's (Liverpool Regiment) 29/08/1918 Age: 18 II. F. 28.

FOX H
United Kingdom Private 201238Y York and Lancaster Regiment 27/10/1918 VI. D. 21.
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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 25 October 22 19:40 BST (UK) »
cwgc entry for the Herbert Fox b Farnworth.  Parents names correct as per 1901/1911 censuses

https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/4025357/herbert-fox/

The MRI for him has no Theatre of War date


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« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 25 October 22 19:41 BST (UK) »
There are two entries here, so different people?

http://www.inmemories.com/Cemeteries/terlincthun2.htm


FOX HERBERT
United Kingdom Private 105303 The King's (Liverpool Regiment) 29/08/1918 Age: 18 II. F. 28.

FOX H
United Kingdom Private 201238Y York and Lancaster Regiment 27/10/1918 VI. D. 21.

Yes, My Great Uncle is the first one.. thank you
Daubney's of Lincoln:-:Fox's of Ringley:-:Norris's of Chorley:-:Tong's of Bolton:-:Chadwick's of Leeds