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Searching Grandparent
« on: Saturday 05 November 22 20:13 GMT (UK) »
I wonder if anyone can help please. I am researching my paternal grandmother. Her name was Mary Ellen Riley and as you can imagine there were a lot of women with that name.  All I have is her name on the marriage certificate which is dated 1916 and her age. There is nothing in the Father’s name section. I presume she didn’t know her father. My father never mentioned any family i.e. grandparents, aunts or uncles etc. I know his father was from Ireland and I think he met my grandmother here. But I have exhausted every avenue I can think of. I know her address in Liverpool when she married but nothing else before that.

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Re: Searching Grandparent
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 06 November 22 11:38 GMT (UK) »
Hi Joanie and welcome to Rootschat!

Did the family stay in Liverpool after marriage? Do you know when she passed away?

The first resource I can think of is the 1921 census. This would at least give you her birthplace.
The second is the 1939 register, which would hopefully give you a birthdate you can cross-reference on other documents such as possible births or baptisms.
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« Reply #2 on: Sunday 06 November 22 12:21 GMT (UK) »
I wonder if anyone can help please. I am researching my paternal grandmother.

Her name was Mary Ellen Riley and as you can imagine there were a lot of women with that name.  All I have is her name on the marriage certificate which is dated 1916 and her age.
There is nothing in the Father’s name section. I presume she didn’t know her father.
My father never mentioned any family i.e. grandparents, aunts or uncles etc. I know his father was from Ireland and I think he met my grandmother here. But I have exhausted every avenue I can think of.
I know her address in Liverpool when she married but nothing else before that.

Hello and welcome to Rootschat  :)

Could you give her age and address?

Who did she marry and who were the witnesses to the 1916 marriage?
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Re: Searching Grandparent
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 06 November 22 12:22 GMT (UK) »
Hi
Was her address 22 Cockspur Street, did she marry John McEntaggart.
I might have the wrong marriage.
Cathy
Sinnock/Sinnicks...Brighton,Greenwich.
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« Reply #4 on: Sunday 06 November 22 12:34 GMT (UK) »
She living with her mother Mary Alice and siblings in Pickop Street in 1911.  Mary Ellen is a draper's assistant aged 21.

She is easy to follow back on census records.

Birth

RILEY, MARY  ELLEN
Mother's maiden surname: LEARY     
GRO Reference: 1889  M Quarter in LIVERPOOL  Volume 08B  Page 144

Baptism

Maria Helena REILLY
Birth Date: 15 Feb 1889
Baptism Date: 24 Feb 1889
Baptism Place: Holy Cross, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Father:   Georgii REILLY
Mother   Mariae Aliciae LEARY

Parents' marriage

Marriages March quarter 1882

LEARY, Mary Alice       
RILEY, George
Liverpool    8b   315    

The birth registration and baptism fit with information given in 1921 and 1939.

Marriage details have also later been added to her baptism entry which confirm McENTAGGART as her spouse.

Is that the correct marriage?

Debra  :)

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« Reply #5 on: Sunday 06 November 22 13:00 GMT (UK) »
There is nothing in the Father’s name section. I presume she didn’t know her father.

Perhaps this is not the right Mary Ellen as her parents are named in the marriage register so I don't see why her father wouldn't be named on the civil registration.

I know his father was from Ireland

This Mary Ellen's husband was born in Liverpool, as was his father.  His mother was from Ireland.

Debra  :)

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« Reply #6 on: Sunday 06 November 22 14:45 GMT (UK) »

Perhaps this is not the right Mary Ellen as her parents are named in the marriage register so I don't see why her father wouldn't be named on the civil registration.


One possible reason is that he died when she was quite young, maybe she knew her Mam was a widow but didn't know her Dad's first name.
He's on the 1891 census with the family in Soho Street
Piece 2922, Folio 30, Page 10

by 1901, he's not with the family at Upper Milk St., though Mary's Mam is down as being married rather than widowed
Piece 3413, Folio 61, Page 29

Out of interest I searched death registrations/ RC burials in Liverpool and Workhouse Records (workhouse infirmary was the only source of medical attention for the everyday folk) for records 1896+/-5 years.
There is a quite possible George Riley, died in 1896
workhouse records say he was RC , Married, address Upper Milk St.,  admitted 27 Jul 1896, died same day

Deaths Q3 1896 Liverpool 8b 37 George Riley age 39
Burials Ford Cemetery 31 Jul 1896, George Riley of Upper Milk St., age 39.

Age is a year or so out but that's par for the course, another drawback is that the 1901 census 'says' his wife is married, but maybe the above is worth investigating/checking out, if a death cert shows the death was registered by a known relative that would lend a good deal of weight to the possibility


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« Reply #7 on: Sunday 06 November 22 16:12 GMT (UK) »
Hi Everyone,

Thanks for all of your help. I have looked at a lot of your suggestions already and they lead to a dead end and have spent a fortune on certs.  I will have another try at your suggestions and will let you know if I find a positive. Many thanks,

Joanie

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« Reply #8 on: Sunday 06 November 22 16:14 GMT (UK) »
I followed the McEntaggart line and that wasn’t it. They didn’t live in Cockspur St. she lived in Snowdrop,Street on marriage cert.