Eliza Maloney - Lost Marriage Records c.1860s

[heywood]

Hi Debra, I noticed that issue also.

The John Henry baptismal record lists Thomas Kelly and Eliza Maloney as his parents. But if his brother Charles was born on the same day/year, there should have been a record for his baptism as well...

I've not found GRO or Baptismal records for Matthew or Charles, so perhaps they may have been informally adopted?

A published tree shows this baptism record (transcription) for Charles

Carolus Kelly
Birth Date   28 Mar 1866
Baptism Date 13 May 1880
Our Blessed Lady Immaculate, Washington, Durham
Father   Thoma Kelly
Mother   Elisabeth Meloney

The children you mention were baptised close to birth so this seems odd.
Maybe baptised before confirmation?

[heywood]

I looked up Charles b June quarter, 1866 Castle Ward which is the right one for a birth in Newburn, Northumberland.
Free BMD shows Charles Hills.

GRO - couldn’t find so just looked for Hills.
Charley Hills mmn Minns plus…
Henry Hills mmn Minns

I can’t see a Hills/Minns marriage

[Sophie_Glen]

This is very interesting, following that line I've been able to find transcribed baptism records for Sarah which also show a late baptism on the same day in May 1880. I wonder why this might have been!

[wivenhoe]

Baptism Date 13 May 1880
Our Blessed Lady Immaculate, Washington, Durham

Who else is baptised, same day, same church?

Possibly a cousin?

Who was married same church, same day....might be why the older children were baptised.......other family business.

[Maiden Stone]

This is very interesting, following that line I've been able to find transcribed baptism records for Sarah which also show a late baptism on the same day in May 1880. I wonder why this might have been!

Was the Sarah who was baptised on that day definitely the correct Sarah and sister of the Charles who was baptised on the same day?  Sarah and Charles would have been the right age for confirmation in 1880. Are 
 Confirmation or First Communion registers available? Charles and Sarah may have received conditional baptism if their parent or guardian wasn't around/couldn't be contacted to verify that the children were already baptised. Other older children in the parish may have been baptised around the same time in preparation for the sacraments of First Communion or Confirmation.
Were parents of Charles and Sarah alive in 1880? Were the family still together on 1881 census? How far away was the church where Charles and Sarah were baptised in 1880 to the place they were born?   

[Maiden Stone]

Her date of birth seems to be c.1840-1845, born in Galloway Ireland.

You meant Galway. Which source gave that information about her birthplace?
Galloway is in Scotland. A region, a Catholic and a Scottish Episcopal diocese and home of Belted Galloway cattle. 

[heywood]

Does anyone think that Charles and Henry could be the two boys registered in Castle Ward as I wrote earlier?

June 1866 Castle Ward 10 pg 249.
Charles Hills
Henry Hills

[heywood]

Maiden Stone
Here is a link to 1881 for the family
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q271-67HY

Also 1871 5132 /60/22

Elizabeth Kelly 28 yrs b Galway, Ireland

[softly softly]

Does anyone think that Charles and Henry could be the two boys registered in Castle Ward as I wrote earlier?

June 1866 Castle Ward 10 pg 249.
Charles Hills
Henry Hills

Hi heywood, it would be more than coincidental if this was not the 2 boys born in 1866. It does lead though to more issues, as you and I have found.

If we do have the right Thomas Kelly born in 1845 Ponteland he would have been aged 26 in 1871 census which he was. His first child seemingly with Eliz Maloney would appear to be Sarah Bridget in 1867. The 3 earlier recorded children in 1871 Matthew, Charles and Henry I suspect are not his, but took them on as step-children who took his surname. My thinking is that Eliza possibly had a relationship with a Mr ?? and those 3 children are hers from that relationship.
One of the birth certificates either Charles/Henry might reveal some interesting details.

John