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Is it possible to decypher this.? Is it some kind of shorthand?
« on: Thursday 10 November 22 08:09 GMT (UK) »
Can anybody identify this script? :)

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Re: Is it possible to decypher this.? Is it some kind of shorthand?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 08 February 23 14:12 GMT (UK) »
I just stumbled across your post while searching for Shorthand posts. I'm surprised there have been no replies but this script looks very unusual.

I studied Pitman New Era shorthand in the early 80s and can say this isn't it. Nor does it look like any other shorthand/speedwriting system I've seen.

It seems to me it wouldn't be very quick to write as there are multiple repeats of the same stroke, 4 or 5 times. I wondered if it was made up to try and fox someone who was trying to read something private  ::) but is actually just nonsense. Where was it found?

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Re: Is it possible to decypher this.? Is it some kind of shorthand?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 08 February 23 19:23 GMT (UK) »
Hi, domtik,

This is definitely a form of shorthand.  There were many developed throughout the 1700 and 1800s.  You may want to investigate a few of the types to see if you can identify which one was used for your document. 

https://archive.org/search?query=The+Universal+English+Short-Hand+ This link has several books of different forms of short hand.

https://vitabrevis.americanancestors.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Alfred-Janes.jpg  This link shows the letter formations for Alfred Janes form of shorthand.

Good luck. 
CRN-Hocking
DVN-Bickle.Doble.Harris.Hill.Nrthcte
KEN-Austen.Bodeker.Collard.Dodd.Duncan.Eaton.Gregry.Hammnd.Herman.Hills.Hodgs.Ivysn.
James.Kemp.Milstd.Nut.Owlet.Ruck.Spilet.Terry.Tilby.Thmsn.Walker
SOM-Baker.Clatworthy.Linton.Parker.Smith.Stone.Twose
ABD-Barclay.Cruickshank.McKenzie.Shepherd.Club
LKS-Douglas.Gunn.Turner
MLN-Dicks/Dickson.Duff.Lindsay.Young
SHI-Bain.Cluness.Fordyce.Gray.Petrie
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Re: Is it possible to decypher this.? Is it some kind of shorthand?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 09 February 23 02:21 GMT (UK) »
I'm surprised there have been no replies

Where was it found?
Possibly one of the reasons there's been no replies, nothing to go on, no background with any sort of clues?

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Re: Is it possible to decypher this.? Is it some kind of shorthand?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 09 February 23 11:57 GMT (UK) »
You've made a welcome start to our site domtik - and grasped the ability to upload a file from the beginning. Well done!
So you've seen over 300 views already and many waiting for you to now share the 'provenance' of the paperwork you wish to be answered ???

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Re: Is it possible to decypher this.? Is it some kind of shorthand?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 09 February 23 12:03 GMT (UK) »
You've made a welcome start to our site domtik - and grasped the ability to upload a file from the beginning. Well done!
So you've seen over 300 views already and many waiting for you to now share the 'provenance' of the paperwork you wish to be answered ???

True - but domtik hasn't been on-line since a few days after the initial post in November last year  :-\
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Re: Is it possible to decypher this.? Is it some kind of shorthand?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 09 February 23 12:14 GMT (UK) »
The paper it has been written on appears to be for music with a six line staff printed on the reverse. Difficult to tell if the other side has been used or not.

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Re: Is it possible to decypher this.? Is it some kind of shorthand?
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 09 February 23 12:40 GMT (UK) »
The paper it has been written on appears to be for music with a six line staff printed on the reverse. Difficult to tell if the other side has been used or not.

S_L

In that case, is it possible that the symbols don't represent letters, syllables or words, but are some kind of shorthand for musical notation?

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Re: Is it possible to decypher this.? Is it some kind of shorthand?
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 09 February 23 14:12 GMT (UK) »
The usual stave for writing music has 5 lines, but a 6 line 'stave' is used for guitar notation, each line representing one of the strings. (Added: I think the staves here are joined in groups of four, and there may be something written on them.)

The writing reminded me a little of the Japanese you sometimes see on multi-lingual instructions. I have no knowledge of Japanese, but a bit of research revealed two possible writing systems: hiragana, which I think is used for Japanese words, and katakana, which seems to be for transliterating foreign words. So if it's the latter, it might be a message in English disguised by the use of Japanese characters which represent the same sounds.

However, since the OP appears to have no more interest in it, I'm not particularly inclined to spend time on it, even though I am a tiny bit curious.