John Greaves -1861

[scottsinclair]

Hi
I'm unable to find my ancestor John Henry Greaves, born 1844 in the 1861 census.

In 1851 he was in Edward Street / Union Street (sic), and in 1871 he was in Collier Street. A birth record from 1870 suggests he was in Brook street at that time.

I can't for the life of me find him in 1861 which is really frustrating. To make it a bit more complex, his father was also called John Greaves / Graves and his son was also John Henry Greaves, so of course the birth year is all we really have to distinguish him at that point.

Any ideas?

[emeltom]

Exactly where is he in 1851 and 1871?

[scottsinclair]

Exactly where is he in 1851 and 1871?

1851: 7 Union Street / Edward Street, Sculcoates, Yorkshire, England

1871: 18 collier street, providence place, Hull, Yorkshire, England

Thanks

[emeltom]

Thanks

[softly softly]

You quote this address in 1871

1871: 18 collier street, providence place, Hull, Yorkshire, England.

At this address is
John GRAVES aged 30 born Hull
Elizabeth Graves aged 22 born Hull
Ada Graves aged 0 born Hull

GRAVES, ADA       mmn YOUNG 
GRO Reference: 1870  D Quarter in HULL  Volume 09D  Page 203       

Marriages Jun 1870   
Graves    John        Hull    9d   305   
Rogerson    William        Hull    9d   305    
WILSON    Mary Jane        Hull    9d   305    
YOUNG    Ann Elizabeth        Hull    9d   305

3 records, 3 Graves no Greaves.

John    

[softly softly]

Just an observation, John was born 1840 not 1844 as per your opening post. He is aged 9 in 1851 census, aged 30 in 1871, 38 in 1881(in Prison). He dies aged 72 in 1912.

John

[scottsinclair]

You quote this address in 1871

1871: 18 collier street, providence place, Hull, Yorkshire, England.

At this address is
John GRAVES aged 30 born Hull
Elizabeth Graves aged 22 born Hull
Ada Graves aged 0 born Hull

GRAVES, ADA       mmn YOUNG 
GRO Reference: 1870  D Quarter in HULL  Volume 09D  Page 203       

Marriages Jun 1870   
Graves    John        Hull    9d   305   
Rogerson    William        Hull    9d   305    
WILSON    Mary Jane        Hull    9d   305    
YOUNG    Ann Elizabeth        Hull    9d   305

3 records, 3 Graves no Greaves.

John   

Hi, yes that's right. The name only seems to have settled as "Greaves" spelling  in the late 1800s.

[amondg]

1851 census 7 Union Street
John Graves 30 Shipwright
Dorothy 28
John 9
Catherine 8
Sarah Ann 3
Robert 14 months
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John Graves married Dorothy Lee 1845 in Hull, so the first 2 children have a different mother.

GRO index
Graves Joseph* Graves no mother's maiden name 1840 registered Sculcoates
Graves Catherine Graves no mother's maiden name 1843 registered Sculcoates

Graves, Sarah Ann 1848 mother's maiden name LEE
Graves, Robert 1849 mother's maiden name LEE

ADDED
There is a John Graves who married Dorothy Graves 26 November 1838 at Kirby Wharf witness Joseph Graves and Ann Graves.
Re possibilty first 2 children

[amondg]

John Graves who married Dorothy Lee 14 January 1845, Holy Trinity Kingston Upon Hull

Father is ROBERT GRAVES
Her father Francis LEE