Thames Street, Tower Hill - Giddings?

[hanes teulu]

I think I spotted seven "Queen's Courts" in London using FindMyPast address search against the '81 Census -

St Botolph without Aldgate 9; St Paul Deptford 31; Hackney 6; Horsley Down 7; St George the Martyr, Southwark 26; Ratcliff 4; Greenwich 6.

Figures = "No. of Households" with that address

[Ruskie]

Might Queen’s Court be a street in its own right? Without seeing the original reference to Queens Court/Vine Place it’s difficult to know.

Lisa, have you searched for Kate as Catherine?

[StevieSteve]

If you search Queen's Court Vine on LMA, you get entries for the Minories Improvement Scheme which fits in with St Botolph Without

[Kay99]

Might Queen’s Court be a street in its own right? Without seeing the original reference to Queens Court/Vine Place it’s difficult to know.

Lisa, have you searched for Kate as Catherine?

Copy of the address entry attached - hopefully!

[Ruskie]

Thanks Kay.  That confirms ciderdrinker’s interpretation. It looks like Vine Pl but could it be St? (Would need to check other records on the same document to see how Street was written.)
Probably doesn’t help much either way in the search for Kate. 

[Bookbox]

If you search Queen's Court Vine on LMA, you get entries for the Minories Improvement Scheme which fits in with St Botolph Without

The above is surely the correct place. It will be the Queens Court that is off Minories.

1871 – RG10/414 folio 19 page 31
4 Queens Court, St Botolph Aldgate
Sarah Fryer, widow, 40, born Dilwyn, Herefordshire (not Delwyn, Hertfordshire, as transcribed)
6 children and a niece.

Possibly a different family there in 1866, of course.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBDR-79Z?cid=fs_copy

[Bookbox]

The street index for 1861 seems to confirm the location, off Vine Street, but most of Queens Court is MISSING from the 1861.

[Maddie]

I have come across all this quite by chance but I think it might be relevant. 
In 1851 at 4 Queens Court Vine Street is a family consisting of Andrew Newman aged 52 born Ireland, his wife Margaret aged 50 also born Ireland & their children Margaret aged 14, Mary Ann aged 12, John aged 10 & Catherine aged 8, all born London.

Marriage on Ancestry for Margaret Newman aged 21 father Andrew to Charles Giddings aged 25 Gun Maker father George on Oct 11th 1858 Christ Church St George in the East. A witness was Mary Ann Newman.

In 1861 there is a Charles Giddings born Birmingham 1833 a visitor, Gun Maker, in the family of  Edward Harvey in Dudley Worcestershire then nothing until 1901 when he seems to be at Theodore Street Birmingham, a Gun Stoker. No sign of Margaret with him.

There is also a Margaret Giddings in 1861 born London living in St George Birmingham a visitor in the family of William Clarke, with her is son William A aged 2 months born Birmingham.

From the GRO William Andrew Giddings born 1861 Birmingham mothers maiden name Newman.

Does this all sound plausible to others

Maddie

[Kay99]

Interesting - Andrew Newman was still living at 4 Queens Court in 1871

Kay