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Beatrice Miles 1887
« on: Thursday 24 November 22 13:45 GMT (UK) »
Beatrice Miles was born 03/08/1887 in Kings Norton/ Her parents were Thomas and Laura Lavinia. Her siblings were Tom (1/7/1889) William (23/12/1891) Frederick Arthur (5/9/1893) Ernest 1899. I have satisfactorily traced siblings and parents.
In 1901 the whole family were at 35 Back of Edward Rd Balsall Heath.
On March 27th 1905 Beatrice married John Thomas Baker at the St Thomas in the Moors parish church. He was born in Bodicott Oxfordshire
In 1911 Beatrice & John were with his parents Edward & Charlotte at 29 Jakeman Walk Balsall Heath. There are no children present. The census indicates she has had 3 children 2 alive  one dead.
Her parents and siblings were all at Wenman Street Balsall Heath. No other children present.
In 1907 in Kings Norton a Charlotte Amelia Baker, mother Miles, was born, she died in 1909 and seems likely to be the deceased child. The other 2 children not identified or found in 1911
By 1921 both her parents had died. (the strange circumstances surrounding the death of her father, Thomas Miles, are recorded in the Birmingham Mail July 2nd 1915.)
I thought  I had located Beatrice in 1921 a a boarder at 164 Belgrave Rd Birmingham. There were 3 Baker children with her, Elizabeth May 16y 4m, John T 6y 5m, William A 1y 10 m. Beatrice is shown as a widow. John T Baker, mother Miles b Birmingham q1 1915.  William A Baker, mother Miles, b Kings Norton q3 1919. Register dates tie in with census ages. I can find no birth for Elizabeth May but she may be one of the 2 living children mentioned on the 1911 census. The age on the 1921 census implies she was born Feb/ Mar 1905 and thus highly possible before her mother was married. I have therefore also searched under Miles but nothing found.
In 1939 Beatrice (dob matches) was in Birmingham with son William. She is widowed. Also present are 2 children born after 1921 (as potentially still living I give no details) with mother's name Miles. I have been unable to identify a death for John Thomas Baker.
Any help in clarifying all this and thus preventing the order of lots of certifaicates greatly appreciated.
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Re: Beatrice Miles 1887
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 24 November 22 14:10 GMT (UK) »
Daughter Elizabeth possibly registered before parents marriage.


MILES, ELIZABETH  MAY     -  no mother's maiden name
GRO Reference: 1905  M Quarter in KING'S NORTON  Volume 06C  Page 422

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Re: Beatrice Miles 1887
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 24 November 22 14:49 GMT (UK) »
John Thomas Baker from 1891/190/1911 census has a very consistent birth year of 1882, his birth being registered in dq 1881. Believe his death is as below.

BAKER, JOHN  THOMAS     aged 36 
GRO Reference: 1918  D Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON  Volume 06B  Page 1310

(Beatrice possibly just in early pregnancy with William A)

A child of John Thomas & Beatrice

BAKER, ALBERT  EDWARD     MILES 
GRO Reference: 1909  J Quarter in KING'S NORTON  Volume 06C  Page 422

Albert was born 7.5.1909, baptised 26.5.1909 Balsall Heath, Parents John Thomas & Beatrice, abode 7, Poplar Place

Death of Albert Edward

Albert Edward Baker
Death Age:   71
Birth Date:   7 May 1909
Registration Date:   Oct 1980
[Nov 1980]
[Dec 1980]
Registration Quarter:   Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District:   Lichfield
Inferred County:   Staffordshire
Volume:   30
Page:   0849

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Re: Beatrice Miles 1887
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 24 November 22 14:59 GMT (UK) »
Possible birth & death of a daughter pre 1911 census.

BAKER, CHARLOTTE  AMELIA     mmn MILES 
GRO Reference: 1907  J Quarter in KING'S NORTON  Volume 06C  Page 393



BAKER, CHARLOTTE  AMELIA     aged 2 
GRO Reference: 1909  M Quarter in KING'S NORTON  Volume 06C  Page 311

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ADDED: Charlotte born 22.2.1907, bap 6.3.1907 parents John Thomas & Beatrice, abode 55 Jakeman Walk, Balsall Heath
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Re: Beatrice Miles 1887
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 24 November 22 16:06 GMT (UK) »
Another probable daughter,

BAKER, BEATRICE  ROSE     MILES 
GRO Reference: 1912  M Quarter in KINGS NORTON  Volume 06C  Page 813

She can be found in 1921 census in Aston, Birmingham--- do not have access to view census.

Probable death

BAKER, BEATRICE  ROSE     aged 19 
GRO Reference: 1931  D Quarter in BIRMINGHAM SOUTH  Volume 06D  Page 83

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Re: Beatrice Miles 1887
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 24 November 22 19:32 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for your replies. Thank you for finding the birth of Elizabeth in 1905 and I am happy that Charlotte is the deceased child from the 1911 census. Two questions remain from this period, where were the 2 living children in 1911 and what is the identity of Elizabeth's sibling.
Moving to 1921 I must apologise for not including the fact that I had located a Belinda Baker of the right age in an institution, possibly an orphanage, in Erdington Birmingham which ties in with your information. Her father is shown as dead. This fits with Beatrice (1887) being a widow, Still no trace of the unidentified missing child from 1911 census.
Thank you for finding the death of Beatrice Rose.
I have now established that the 2 children born after 1921 and found in the 1939 register are both deceased so here are their details; 8/3/1922 Dora M Baker, married name Barton, d 1981 Birmingham. 2/7/1925 Jessie Agnes H, married twice, 2nd to Staunton d 1988  Birmingham. Both births show mother as Miles. The question is if Beatrice was a widow in 1921 which Baker was the father if indeed a Baker was the father?
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Re: Beatrice Miles 1887
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 24 November 22 20:05 GMT (UK) »
Hi, my own thoughts. The 2 missing "alive"children on 1911 census are Elizabeth May Baker(Miles) 1905 and Albert Edward Baker 1909. Going to look for them after this post. Re Dora and Jessie I believe them to be Beatrice's children but born after the death of John. I have this in my own tree where a mother has relationships with a n other but still records their births with married surname and mmn.

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Re: Beatrice Miles 1887
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 26 November 22 11:04 GMT (UK) »
Thank you. I agree with your identification of the "missing" children. Have searched again in 1911 (on FindMyPast) but not found them. Re the 2 later children your thoughts are similar to mine. I may get one birth cert to see what it says.
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Hole Somerset
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Re: Beatrice Miles 1887
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 26 November 22 15:01 GMT (UK) »
I too have struggled to find Elizabeth May and Albert in 1911. If you do order a birth certificate please do let us know the outcome details.

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