Birth Thomas Clarke Bradford

[Neale1961]

Birth rego
LYONS, ELIZABETH       Mother: HINDMARSH 
GRO Reference: 1869  S Quarter in BERWICK  Volume 10B  Page 343

Elizabeth Lyons baptised 9 Sep 1869 Berwick-upon-Tweed
 Parents Andrew LYONS (Tailor) and Ann

Andrew Hume LYONS bapt 14 Sept 1828 Berwick to parents George ( a weaver) and Agnes
He died Berwick 1885, aged 56.
From newspaper 11 March 1885: “Andrew Lyons, tailor, Walkergate Lane, Berwick has died from the effects of a fall while under the influence of liquor. Deceased was famed as a celebrator of irregular Border marriages at Lamberton Toll.”

Andrew’s first wife was Cresswell RAILTON – she died 1864
Second wife was Ann – who would be the mother to Elizabeth. Ann died in 1878.

(Since Andrew was responsible for irregular marriages, this may explain why there seem to be no records for his own marriages.)

[Neale1961]

We still don't know where the name CLARKE comes from, or who the exact father is for Thomas. He probably never knew much about his parents - hence the confused names on the marriage record.

If the birth date 18 Feb 1891 for Thomas is correct, then he should be on the 1891 census - but I haven't found him yet.
Nor have I found a birth registration for him - I have tried various surname ideas. No doubt some brilliant RootsChatter will find it.

The other question is what happened to Elizabeth LYONS/ CLARKE / BEAUMONT / WELSH, after she married in 1908.
There are a number of prison records for an ELizabeth around the right age, with various alias names including Clarke, in the Manchester and Leeds area. Do you think they relate to "our" Elizabeth? I am not convinced.

[TAMOWEN4]

Hi, firstly I want to thank everyone for taking the time to carry out searches in connection with my inquiry about my grandfather Thomas Clarke.

I did not see a great deal of him when I was a young lad, (I'm now 69 ), however in later years up until he passed I got to know him quite well. He always struck me as a gentle, quiet man.
My late mum always said her dad was a kind man.
In later years Thomas became a  'soldier' in the Salvation Army in Greenock.

I know there was mention in the family that he had worked in the Welsh Mines?? and that he had served during WW1 but no way of confirming that.
I also know Thomas was subject on occasion to periods of what we now mental health problems having to be admitted to hospital.
A thought occurred, when he married in Glasgow 1918 (on the marriage certificate, it states by Declaration) he must have had a birth certificate?
I think Neale1961 may be correct in that my granfather never knew much of his younger life.
I know my late mum said her dad never spoke of his past!!
thanks again one and all
Tommy C Owen

[ShaunJ]

Just connecting up the Llandilo items

On the record for Thomas, there is mention of Mr John Jones in Llandilo, South Wales

1911 Plasbach Farm Llandilo Carmarthenshire Wales

"Plasbach" is the name of the place in Llandilo - written on 1904 Children Centre document for Thomas

The soldier whose signature I posted was married to a widow, Annie Lilian Smith, in Llandilo in 1915

[Neale1961]

I have found the baptism for Harriet CLARKE / BEAUMONT. She was the sibling closest in age to our Thomas CLARKE
She was baptised with the surname CLARKE in Jan 1893, Bradford Holy Trinity, & born 20 Dec 1892
Parents Thomas and Elizabeth CLARKE – 12 Caine Place. Thomas was a joiner.

Her birth registration is under Harriet CLARK in 1893
and shows mother’s maiden name as LINES (LYONS)

Seems likely that Thomas Clark the joiner is also the father to Thomas CLARKE junior.

There is a Thomas CLARKE joiner living in the Leeds area. He is born abt 1849 in Lincoln and is married with two children.
Can anyone see any other possible Thomas as a joiner?

[Ladyhawk]

I have found the baptism for Harriet CLARKE / BEAUMONT. She was the sibling closest in age to our Thomas CLARKE
She was baptised with the surname CLARKE in Jan 1893, Bradford Holy Trinity, & born 20 Dec 1892
Parents Thomas and Elizabeth CLARKE – 12 Caine Place. Thomas was a joiner.

Her birth registration is under Harriet CLARK in 1893
and shows mother’s maiden name as LINES (LYONS)

Seems likely that Thomas Clark the joiner is also the father to Thomas CLARKE junior.

There is a Thomas CLARKE joiner living in the Leeds area. He is born abt 1849 in Lincoln and is married with two children.

Can anyone see any other possible Thomas as a joiner?

1901c 12, Charlotte Street, Bradford
Thomas   Clark   Head   Married 1858   Joiner   Bradford
Hannah   Clark   Wife   1858   Eccleshill
Florrie   Clark   Daughter   1882   Worsted weaver   Shipley
Alf   Clark   Son   1884   Dress goods designer   Bradford
Herbert   Clark   Son   1891   Bradford
John W   Clark   Son   1893   Bradford, Yorkshire
Dora   Clark   Daughter   1897 Bradford

1891 family living Moss Street, Horton, Bradford, son Harry born 1879
1911 family living 33 Park Lane Bradford, Bradford
Thomas occ cabinet maker

There’s also this Thomas on 1881

19, Picton Street, Manningham, Bradford
Thomas Clarke   Head   Married   1850   Joiner & grocer Barby, Yorkshire
Elizabeth   Clarke   Wife   Married   1854 Asselby, Yorkshire
John A   Clarke   Son   1876   Bradford

and this one on 1851 census

31, Longcroft Place, Bradford
Thomas   Clark   Head   Married 1818   Joiner   Yorkshire
Ann   Clark   Wife   Married1820   Yorkshire
George   Clark   Son   1845   Bradford
Marey   Clark   Daughter   1847   Bradford
John   Clark   Son 1849   Bradford


Thomas Clark age 64, married
Admission 16 3 1920
Trade Carpenters & Joiners
Union name Amalgamated Society Of Carpenters, Cabinetmakers & Joiners
Union branch Bradford 1
Record set Britain, Trade Union Membership Registers

Added

Did an address search for 12 Caine Place on 1891 census no Clark(e) at that address, William   Belsher and family living at no 12

[MonicaL]

Just adding for Tommy a comparison signature for Thomas Clark who signed his daughter's birth registration in 1919. Unfortunately, his marriage registration on SP from 1918 is only a copy from the original and does not include original signatures. Tommy not sure if you have viewed other birth registrations for your grandparents.

The signature above is the one Shaun included earlier from the WW1 service papers. The second is the one from the birth reg.

[Neale1961]

Monica, no signatures showing.
I tried to attach something to a post earlier, and discovered it wouldn’t upload, as this is a lookup request.
I don’t know how Shaun did it.

[MonicaL]

That is odd. I can see signatures I added on my post  Not sure why. I can also see the one that Shaun added (which is where I got the WW1 one from!).

Monica