Two Durham William Wind's

[Seelife]

Hi Folks, well at least Im semi recovered from Covid. Just trying to regain energy. I have found a glitch in part of my tree. It seems like there are TWO William Winds, I have a baptism for one, but the other is elusive. There seems to be two families of Winds, one based in Lumley, the other in Cow Close (Cow Close colliery near Woodland(Bishop Aukland). But apart from mentions of a Father Willima, nothing for the Cow Close family. The Lumley William (I believe) married a Mary Hind, but it can get messy cos his father (William married a Mary Coxon), why does everyone have the same name for heavens sake.... lots of Williams and Marys. Anyways, this is I think the way the families split :
Family-1
Baptisms    Chester-le-Street    1751   Jane    Wind       Lumley    William   
(I think William born 1731,  married Mary HIND 1754, thats what I currently have anyway)
Baptisms    Chester-le-Street    1754   Elizabeth    Wind       Lumley    William   
Baptisms    Chester-le-Street    1755   Martin    Wind       Lumley    William   
Baptisms    Chester-le-Street    1760   Dorothy    Wind       Lumley    William   
Baptisms    Chester-le-Street       1762           Mary    Wind       Lumley    William   
Baptisms    Chester-le-Street    1764   Hannah    Wind       Lumley    william   Mary
Baptisms    Chester-le-Street    1768   William    Wind       Lumley    William   Mary
Baptisms    Chester-le-Street    1770   Robert    Wind       Lumley    William   Mary
(I am assuming that family-1 has parents William and Mary Hind)
Family-2                        
Baptisms    Chester-le-Street    1755   Margaret    Wind       Cow Close    William   
Baptisms    Chester-le-Street    1758   Thomas    Wind       Cow Close    William   
Baptisms    Chester-le-Street    1761   William    Wind       Cow Close    William   
Baptisms    Chester-le-Street    1767   John    Wind       Cow Close    William   
Baptisms    Chester-le-Street    1770   Henry    Wind       Cow Close    William   

Its this second family I cannot find a Birth for William (Father) or a marriage.
It would be great if someone has a few hints, the only ones I find are on trees on Familysearch and they are conflicting and as usual, not sourced.
Appreaciate any insights and I would like to pull these two families apart and connect them properly, somehow. 

[Seelife]

Hmmm, Ive just found a William Wind married to a Ann Watson 1760, Chester le Street. Maybe a longshot, but its a new William for me Not sure how to follow him without a census.

[Jomot]

Have you checked Durham Records Online?  From the free index they have three marriages around that time. 

Chester-le-Street 1750 William Wind, Kimblesworth
Chester-le-Street 1754 William Wind
Chester-le-Street 1760 William Wind

The 2nd one is presumably the Mary Hind one - have you looked at the others?

The 1752 will of Martin Wind, yeoman, of Low Woodstone House, Chester le Street mentions his 'relation, William Wind the younger of Great Lumley aforesaid, Taylor' and also William Wind the younger elder of Great Lumley.   Presumably this is the Lumley family rather than the Cow Close one.

[Seelife]

Hi Jomot, I saw these on DRO as well and have them in my "tree". I was not aware of the will, but martin and William occupation taylor/tailor, yes. Yes the second is the Mary Hind one. The Cow Close one is my focus, just cannot quite nail him.
I have two burials for William Wind's but I think They are children of each family.
Baptisms    Chester-le-Street    1761    William    Wind       Cow Close    
Baptisms    Chester-le-Street    1768    William    Wind       Lumley    
Burials    Chester-le-Street    1769    William    Wind       Lumley    
Burials    Chester-le-Street    1770    William    Wind       Cow Close
Freereg has the burials but not the ages of the person.

[Seelife]

Hmmm, even more messy. Found another William Wind married to an Ann Hopper, 1749 in Witton Gilbert, Durham county. Where's the Cow Close guy!

ok, covid still fogging me.
I actually had a DRO record, William Wind of Cow Close son of William Wind, record 1113451.0 born 10 May 1761, location, Lamesly, Denom Anglican.
SAdly no mother listed.....n But yes, thats a son.  Still looking for Dad Williams birth.

[Peter L. Mitchell]

Hi Seelife.

I know what you mean about names. In many communities it was a long-standing tradition for the eldest boy to be named after the father or grandfather. In my family history (Dial pitmen in Northumberland and Durham) there are seven different 18th Century male Dial ancestors all named Michael. It’s a nightmare trying to work out who is related to whom.

I’ve also found that names were often re-used if a child died. The biggest issue for me with pitmen is that they all moved around a lot, and this meant that they often had children who were baptised, married or buried in different churches.

Good luck with your search!

Peter

[Seelife]

Hi Peter, yes, these guys really did not make it easy. As you say, names were re-used, even if a child died. I did not realise that pitmen moved around so much, I thought they would stay with a mine, but maybe conditions changed and they moved. A fickle business it seems. I seem to have a number where I find no records of birth or marriage, or, posssibly a partnership was as good as a "marriage". Surprising how many children were born before a registered marriage. We watch series like Downton Abbey and it doesnt come close to reality!
Regards and a great new year.

[Peter L. Mitchell]

Hi Seelife.

Yes, the lives of the people in those days certainly don't seem to be reflected in the sanitised versions we see on TV. I've been amazed by the number of brides who were pregnant at the time of their marriages as well as the number if illegitimate children in my ancestry.

The big issue for me is wading through the Bishops' Transcripts to find my peripatetic and mostly illiterate ancestors. Because they moved around so much I have had to try to narrow down where to look. What I've done is to plot where I know they went. I use screenshots of the places in Northumberland and Durham where I have evidence that they had worked, and then laboriously search the transcripts for every church in the immediate vicinity. That way I can do some cross-referencing and, with luck, eliminate false leads. One ancestor had his children baptised in at least four different churches around Longbenton in the space of 12 years! Damned pest!

Good luck with your searching!

Peter