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Understanding a Will - Items in a Buttery and a Loft
« on: Thursday 15 December 22 12:09 GMT (UK) »
Hope others here can help with this.  I'm trying to decypher the last will and testament of William Ambrose who died in 1727.  His will includes a per room list of his belongings and a couple of areas are confusing me.

First up is the buttery.  This is what I've been able to transcribe:

In the buttery.
   In e---s(?), basons, k----(?) and all other brown(?) wares therein         
-   In buttery shelves and tresells [trestles?], and all mugs and other instruments in the buttery   



There are also a few entries in the Old Loft that confuse.  Again, here's my first transcription:

In the old loft c----(?).
-   In 1 meal(?) chest, lifting(?) turnell(?), broken wood and all other implements in the same room with all troughs and flags about the house


I'd appreciate any help plugging the gaps and/or confirming my guesses on words.


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Re: Understanding a Will - Items in a Buttery and a Loft
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 15 December 22 14:39 GMT (UK) »
metal chest, sifting turret(s)?

I can’t find any references to such a thing as a sifting turret however.
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Re: Understanding a Will - Items in a Buttery and a Loft
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 15 December 22 14:59 GMT (UK) »
I wondered if it might be "sifting" rather than "lifting" but, like you, I can't find reference to "lifting/sifting turret/tunnel" or variants thereof.

The second word, which I tentatively identified as "turnell" has a very similar ending to "all" later in the entry, so I'm pretty confident about the double-L ending (but recognizing that spelling could be very different from today's). 

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Re: Understanding a Will - Items in a Buttery and a Loft
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 15 December 22 15:07 GMT (UK) »
Is it possible that the word you are transcribing as “In” is actually an abbreviation for “Item”?
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Re: Understanding a Will - Items in a Buttery and a Loft
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 15 December 22 15:13 GMT (UK) »
Certainly possible.  I went for "In" because of the usage related to the room.  "In the buttery" makes more sense to me than "Item the buttery." 

Elsewhere in the will, it mentions "In/Item the parlour where he dwelt" where, again, "In" seems more logical than "Item." 

The word "In/Item" associated with the rooms "buttery" and "parlour" is identical to the word used at the start of each listed item within those rooms. 

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Re: Understanding a Will - Items in a Buttery and a Loft
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 15 December 22 16:01 GMT (UK) »
The second word, which I tentatively identified as "turnell" has a very similar ending to "all" later in the entry, so I'm pretty confident about the double-L ending (but recognizing that spelling could be very different from today's). 

Turnell looks OK (see https://archive.org/details/cu31924088038439/page/272/mode/2up) and the word before it does look like Sifting. Just before that it's meal chest.

Going back to the first image, I think the first item is Eshins (variant of Ashen), a kind of pail made of ash wood (https://archive.org/details/cu31924088038389/page/80/mode/2up). Continuing from there, the word beginning with 'K' eludes me, but next is all other treen wares.

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Re: Understanding a Will - Items in a Buttery and a Loft
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 15 December 22 16:05 GMT (UK) »
I think the K word is a variant of Kiver or Kinver - a large mixing bowl. I've come across them regularly in West Country wills and assume the spelling and pronunciation would differ in other areas,

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Flexney, Godfrey, Burson, Hobby -  Oxfordshire
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Re: Understanding a Will - Items in a Buttery and a Loft
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 15 December 22 16:38 GMT (UK) »
I think the K word is a variant of Kiver or Kinver - a large mixing bowl. I've come across them regularly in West Country wills and assume the spelling and pronunciation would differ in other areas,

If we're looking for dialect words, it would help to know where the person came from. I also came across keeve, which seems similar in meaning to kiver, but I didn't see any variants of either in the Dialect Dictionary with an 'f' that might account for the taller letter.

As an alternative, which I think matches the letters better, I suggest kinline, a variant of kindling. I realise, though, that it doesn't really fit with the other items in that line.

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Re: Understanding a Will - Items in a Buttery and a Loft
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 15 December 22 18:07 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for all the contributions everyone.

William Ambrose lived near Ormskirk, Lancashire.