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Re: Specific research info sought
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 29 December 22 10:22 GMT (UK) »
1921 is only important at the moment because of the Suffolk birthplace for William really.

I had a quick look round earlier and 1901/1911 William and family and then the sighting of Mary Ann are in close proximity.
It is the mystery of Mary Anne’s whereabouts in 1901 and no death for Joseph that are problematic.
If they had fallen on hard times, you would think Mary Ann would be with her children.
Perhaps the couple separated.
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« Reply #28 on: Thursday 29 December 22 11:27 GMT (UK) »
1921 is only important at the moment because of the Suffolk birthplace for William really.

I had a quick look round earlier and 1901/1911 William and family and then the sighting of Mary Ann are in close proximity.
It is the mystery of Mary Anne’s whereabouts in 1901 and no death for Joseph that are problematic.
If they had fallen on hard times, you would think Mary Ann would be with her children.
Perhaps the couple separated.

I think they must have separated. The children would all have left home by then. I do have Joseph in a Manchester workhouse in July 1905 (GBPRS_MAN_4509706_00014) so obviously fallen on hard times. I still think this:-
[Edit.... image removed]

Is Mary Ann Gavin in 1911. The stated birthplace is 12 miles from she was actually born but all other details match her.

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« Reply #29 on: Thursday 29 December 22 11:39 GMT (UK) »
Yes I would agree re Mary. It is not having her in 1901 which is frustrating.
 
Which workhouse do you have Joseph in?

I have been puzzling over this for a while.

There is a burial at Philips Park cemetery, 29th March 1910 - Joseph Gavin, 66 yrs, labourer. (Born abt 1844).
The death age would depend on the informant so could be wrong.

I could not find a death but eventually found this:
Joseph Garvin - Prestwich district 1910
Lancs BMD shows area as Cheetham.
The grave record shows him as Gavin and Roman Catholic. It looks to be a public grave.
https://www.burialrecords.manchester.gov.uk/
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« Reply #30 on: Thursday 29 December 22 11:45 GMT (UK) »
If the workhouse was Crumpsall, that would fit with Prestwich registration district.
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« Reply #31 on: Thursday 29 December 22 12:46 GMT (UK) »
Yes I would agree re Mary. It is not having her in 1901 which is frustrating.
 
Which workhouse do you have Joseph in?

I have been puzzling over this for a while.

There is a burial at Philips Park cemetery, 29th March 1910 - Joseph Gavin, 66 yrs, labourer. (Born abt 1844).
The death age would depend on the informant so could be wrong.

I could not find a death but eventually found this:
Joseph Garvin - Prestwich district 1910
Lancs BMD shows area as Cheetham.
The grave record shows him as Gavin and Roman Catholic. It looks to be a public grave.
https://www.burialrecords.manchester.gov.uk/

The workhouse document is the Religious Creed Register for the New Bridge St Workhouse in Manchester. He was admitted twice.... 4/11/1904 - 24/4/1905 and again 13/6/1905 - 19/7/1905. I don't have his Irish birth details but census details put it at 1839 meaning that he would be about 66 when in the workhouse.

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« Reply #32 on: Thursday 29 December 22 13:14 GMT (UK) »
Looks quite possible then.
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« Reply #33 on: Thursday 29 December 22 13:17 GMT (UK) »
Any address/other information  on those workhouse records?
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« Reply #34 on: Thursday 29 December 22 19:19 GMT (UK) »

In 1901, William Smith, 27 yrs states he is born Sheffield.
This looks like the family in 1911 where William Smith shows born Staffordshire  :-\
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW13-9W4

In 1921, however, there is William Smith, b 1872 , Suffolk with wife and children looking very like the 1911 family.

This looks to be the marriage
1896 Salford Register Office or Registrar attended
William Smith and Elizabeth Wolfe

Looks like I owe you an apology. Having looked at the 1911 William Smith census entry you mentioned, I can see now that it is indeed the same person as the 1901 census. Everything is identical apart from the place of birth. And the two properties are 100 m apart and another 100m to where their mother was living in 1911. Why did he say he was born in Staffordshire? Did someone else fill in the census form and got it wrong? I did manage to find Elizabeth Wolfe's birth entry on the Scotland's People site. She is a Glaswegian like myself.  :)

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« Reply #35 on: Thursday 29 December 22 22:05 GMT (UK) »
I’m just glad it is falling into place.
It is odd re Staffordshire maybe error - who knows!
Perhaps Mary Ann was ‘between hoyses’ on census night and just omitted.
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