William Marshall

[craigbarwick01]

The first William died as an infant, yes there are two unnamed births 1879 and 1882; both recorded as male. The 1882 birth was actually a girl named Cora and by other records that provide that conclusion, the previous thread was 9 years ago and I was hoping a fresh look may have found some new information

[Lucy2]

for craigbarwick01

Thank you, but it would have been helpful to have that clarification earlier because we often look to see if there are previous threads (especially when there is a lack of detail in a request).

Must point out to you, that our New Zealand Death Index does NOT give the names of a deceased person's parents (as they do in some Australian records).
Therefore we need to employ other search techniques and try that much harder to come up with results.
Firstly, as long as we have an approximate birth year for the deceased, we can search deaths and come up with some "possible candidates" (already done at Reply #  6 ).    Next comes the process of eliminating those "possibilities".     

It takes time and effort to find further information, and that is why we ask you to provide as much additional information as you can.     
You (now) mention the other thread was nine years ago ... and you were hoping a fresh look might turn up something... but you didn't mention this earlier thread.    And even though the information at that time was vague, nothing very much has changed.

     ~   Lu

[Lucy2]

Just throwing these New Zealand deaths into the mix:



1897/5184   Marshall   William   20Y

1903/1170   Marshall   William   23Y

1918/77083   Marshall   William   37Y

1922/5373   Marshall   William   44Y

1928/3817   Marshall   William   49Y

The last perhaps being 'on target' age-wise?

Minniehaha.

This one can be elimated >

1918 / 77083 - William MARSHALL - 37 years
WW1 death - (of Auckland Infantry Batt. -- Reg. # 43789):  Died from wounds - buried in Belgium.
Son of  John and Christina MARSHALL of Scotland.

Also to be eliminated  >
added :  - 1897 / 1170 - William MARSHALL - 20 years :
William James MARSHALL - died August 1897 - of Naseby, 4th son of Jessie and Andrew MARSHALL - aged 20 years.

   ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

Just throwing these New Zealand deaths into the mix:



1897/5184   Marshall   William   20Y

1903/1170   Marshall   William   23Y  details at Reply # 13

1918/77083   Marshall   William   37Y

1922/5373   Marshall   William   44Y details at Reply # 14

1928/3817   Marshall   William   49Y   Unable to locate this death - it was registered 3Q at Auckland    See later post at Reply # 16

The last perhaps being 'on target' age-wise?

Minniehaha.

This one can be elimated >

1918 / 77083 - William MARSHALL - 37 years
WW1 death - (of Auckland Infantry Batt. -- Reg. # 43789):  Died from wounds - buried in Belgium.
Son of  John and Christina MARSHALL of Scotland.

Also to be eliminated  >
added :  - 1897 / 5184 - William MARSHALL - 20 years :
William James MARSHALL - died August 1897 - of Naseby, 4th son of Jessie and Andrew MARSHALL - aged 20 years.

   ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

NZ Deaths >

to be eliminated  >

1903 / 1170 - William MARSHALL - 23 years
William MARSHALL - 23 years - cause of death suicide due to temporary insanity.
Lived with parents in Dunedin.  His father Orr MARSHALL, gave evidence at inquest.

    ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

New Zealand Deaths >

for elimination

1922 / 5373= William MARSHALL - 44 years
William MARSHALL of Otago Regt. (Reg. # 22476)   Died (of wounds or disease contracted during service) - 17 August 1922 - buried soldier's plot, Waikumete Cemetery, Auckland.
Next-of-kin :    Mrs M. WATERWORTH, Wellington (sister)

      ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

for craigbarwick01 ...

Have searched through burials for the Southland district ... nothing found for a William MARSHALL (which might be a match re: approximate year of birth).

The OGILVIES (William and Susan - both died 1918) are buried at the Woodlands Cemetery (Southland) as are some of their children.    No MARSHALL or William MARSHALL in this localitry either.

   ~   Lu

[Lucy2]

  * *   U P D A T E   **

Now located :  Death of William MARSHALL d. 13 September 1928

https://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/cemeteries/Pages/RecordDetails.aspx?recordId=007F5087FB7BB6469C52335C0763B399

    ~   Lu

added :   Unable to find addtional info (death notice etc. ) to rule this person in or out.

[Lucy2]

The first William died as an infant, yes there are two unnamed births 1879 and 1882; both recorded as male. The 1882 birth was actually a girl named Cora and by other records that provide that conclusion, the previous thread was 9 years ago and I was hoping a fresh look may have found some new information

In looking over several of the 70-odd trees (@ ancestry) for this Sydney & Helen MARSHALL family, there are some inconsistencies, (to be expected), in information.

Hi, I was hoping for some help locating possible information on William Marshall who was born in Campbelltown Tasmania 23 March 1879, family stories tell that he moved to New Zealand.
Cheers
Craig

I can see your tree at that site, and the child Cora Blanch(e) MARSHALL is attributed the (27 January) 1882 birthdate.   

*   What are the "other conclusions" you mention that confirm that birthdate ?

And it's odd that the father Sydney should have registered the birth of an unnamed male child (rather than a female child) one month after it's birth on 28 February 1882.   Or did the registrar make an error about the sex of the child ??

It's also odd that in other trees (@ancestry and elsewhere), that Cora Blanche BARWICK (nee MARSHALL) is shown as having died at Hobart, in 1957, aged 78 years (bc 1879)   *  Is her age at death actually confirmed in some other record ??

*   What information do you have that Cora was born 1882 rather than 1879 ?

*   I'm not terribly familiar with TAS death certificates, but do the certs after 1914, show the number of children of a deceased person ?     
Helen M. MARSHALL (the mother) is said to have died in 1922, do you (or fellow MARSHALL researchers)  have her death certificate - or a funeral/death notice, which names her children ??

*   From the "family stories" you talk about, what evidence do you have that William lived to an age where he might have taken himself off to live in New Zealand ??

There are many "William MARSHALL's" who have lived in NZ though may not have actually died here (thereby leaving possibly some record).    It's "needle in haystack" stuff searching if we don't have additional information from you.   

    ~   Lu