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Re: A Conundrum
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 29 January 23 20:14 GMT (UK) »
an entry for George with matching date of birth in Birmingham on the 1939 register. He appears to be in the workhouse

https://www.workhouses.org.uk/RowtonBirmingham/

Possible burial 17 Dec 1952 George Harbridge age 75 Gillingham Kent. He died in St Bart's Hospital, Rochester.

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Address on probate is Gillingham Kent, possibly George buried from his sons?

Name:   Peter George Harbidge
Death Date:   25 Jul 1971
Death Place:   Kent
Probate Date:   22 Sep 1971
Probate Registry:   London
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Re: A Conundrum
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 29 January 23 20:44 GMT (UK) »
Baptism gives his father as George, was the family RC?

Name:   Petrus Georgius Harbidge
Gender:   Male
Birth Date:   31 Jul 1907
Baptism Date:   18 Aug 1907
Baptism Place:   Birmingham, Warwick, England
Father:   Georgii Harbidge
Mother:   Margaritae Robinson Harbidge
FHL Film Number:   1999525
Reference ID:   Item 2 Vol. 11

As Carole has suggested he could be nephew to head of household in 1921

Peter George Harbidge
Death Age:   64
Birth Date:   31 Jul 1907
Registration Date:   1971
Registration Quarter:   Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District:   Chatham
Inferred County:   Kent
Volume:   5f
Page:   499

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This is great! I'm unsure as to whether the family were Roman Catholic or not. The other siblings of George Harbidge didn't have Catholic marriages/birth records.

On the 1921 census there are only 2 names on it. George is listed as a boarder and then another George (age 13)is listed as nephew. I thought it was unusual not to have the head of household listed on it.
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Re: A Conundrum
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 29 January 23 20:47 GMT (UK) »
Births Sep 1916 
Reuben V   Harbidge   mothers maiden name Harbidge    Birmingham    6d   441

Reuben V Harris
Sept qtr 1916   Mother's Maiden Name Harbidge
Volume Number: 6d
Page Number:    441

She has not used Robinson for her maiden name

From GRO online
HARRIS, REUBEN  VERDUN      
GRO Reference: 1916  S Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 06D  Page 441

Death
Reuben Verdun Harris
Death Age:    66
Birth Date:    17 Jun 1916
March qtr 1983
Solihull South Volume 34  Page 0140

No will - Administration granted - death date 17.2.1983

There is a marriage in 1980 - see below

Thank you! So he was registered as Rueben Verdun Harbidge and Reuben Verdun Harris? I wonder why.
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Re: A Conundrum
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 29 January 23 20:55 GMT (UK) »
In 1921 - have you checked for others living at the same address

Just checked for the address in the 1921 census. There was a separate form filled in. George's sister Elizabeth (married name Dodd) lives at the same address so it looks like George was boarding with his son (also George) at his sister's house.
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Re: A Conundrum
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 29 January 23 23:24 GMT (UK) »
He married & died as Reuben Verdun Harris.  The fact he was registered under both surnames may suggest his fathers name could be on his Harris birth cert
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Re: A Conundrum
« Reply #14 on: Monday 30 January 23 13:21 GMT (UK) »
Hello
WW1 pensions on Fold 3
William Joseph Harris Royal Fusiliers 148283
His widow or dependent is
Margaret Rose Harbridge unmarried.


So it looks like Reuban was his child.

There is a possible 1939 entry for Margaret Rose Harris born4  July 1887  in Newtown Row widow and death as Margaret Catherine Harris otherwise Margaret Rose 17 New Town Row Aston widow 6 May 1958 .Admin to Reuban Verdun Harris wood dust merchant 3684.

Hope that helps

ps George and Margaret's marriage was at St Chads which was Roman Catholic.-10.3.1906

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Re: A Conundrum
« Reply #15 on: Monday 30 January 23 14:48 GMT (UK) »
The Sutton Coldfield News, 1 July 1950, reported a court case where Reuben Verdun Harris, Newton Row, was fined for speeding.

Later newspaper reports, Jun 1972, give his address as 61 Meriden Drive, Kingshurst. 
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