Martin Wind and Martin Winn - Same Person?

[Seelife]

Hi Folks, I thought I had a handle of this lineage, but sadly no.
I have had a family of Winds that I had traced forward to a Martin Wind born 1813, Birtley. Now in a separate exercise, I was tracing a Winn family BACKWARDS, to a Martin Winn born 1844, Birtley, to a father Martin Winn born 1813/14. The problem is, they seem to be the same person OR, are they are different families?

Martin Winn seems to have a solid presence. He dies aged 64 in 1877, AND appear to be married to an Ann Beadling in 1838 and had 4 children, John Wind, Thomas Wind, Martin Winn and Ralph Wind. Martin Winn has records that place his birth  at about 1813 and a FindMyPast record of marriage to an an Ann Beadling 1838.

The Freereg baptism for Martin Wind is - Place Lamesley Church name St Andrew; Register type  Bishop's Transcript; Register entry number 35; Baptism date 17 Oct 1813; Person forename Martin; Person sex M; Father forename John; Father surname WIND; Mother forename Margaret; Person abode Birtley Northside; Father occupation Pitman.  On FindMyPast, the marriage is : Marriage date 24 Nov 1838; Category Birth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers); Place Chester Le Street; Subcategory Parish Marriages; Spouse's first name(s) Ann; Spouse's last name Beadling.

The WINN records are, Martin WINN born 1844,and on FindMyPast, First name(s) Martin, Last name Winn, Country England, Volume XXIV Birth quarter 3, Page 46, Birth year 1844, Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006, Mother's maiden name Beadling, Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records, District Chester Le Street. In 1881 according to Census he is married living in Trimdon, Stockton with wife Mary and 7 children. I think the wife is Mary Forbes married 1864.

I suspect that Martin WINN and Martin WIND are the same person, but these Winn/Wind guys can get so confusing.

So, can some kind person who is thinking more clearly than I, please clarify this?
I have found Winds becoming Winn, but it is usually clearer but this is less clear and I am concerned that I may be mixing two families up.
Thanks for any assistance or insights.

[osprey]

do you have a copy of the 1838 marriage which would confirm name & occupation of his father?

[Seelife]

Hi Osprey, no I dont, only what I can find on Findmypast, Durhamrecordsonline etc.
In DRO, this is what I see,
Marriages, Chester-le-Street District - Record Number: 167964.1, Location: Chester-le-Street, County Durham, Church: St. Mary and St. Cuthbert, Denomination: Anglican
24 Nov 1838 Martyn Winn (bachelor, pitman, full age, of Birtley Northside, son of John Winn, pitman) married Ann Beadling (spinster, full age, of Birtley Northside, daughter of Thomas Beadling, pitman), Witnesses: Thomas Beadling

[osprey]

ok, that at least confirms father's details.

There doesn't seem to be another candidate for your man.
Baptism, 1861 census & 1871 census as Wind
1838 marriage & 1851 census as Winn
Son Ralph on all 3 census entries.
Think it's unlikely to be 2 different people!

 

[Seelife]

Hi Osprey, thanks for that. I also thought it was the same person. It was great to have another set of eyes on it to confirm it. I wonder why in this case.  Can it be different transcribers? I will try and look at images and see if there is a pattern, but maybe its just a different interpretation of the sources by different people. Makes it hard though sometimes, especially when these guys reuse their names so much. Thanks again.

[osprey]

the transcribers have recorded the name as it was written. Spelling wasn't uniform at that time. Names were spelled in the way that the person writing them down spelled them. The educated clerk would be unlikely to ask someone who hadn't learn to sign their name.

[Seelife]

Ah, so even back then they were conspiring to make life difficult    Thanks for the heads-up, I was partly aware of the problem, but have never had such an example before, always a first. I will double up on the sources with explanations so there is a clear trail and explanation.