Adams family

[Emily_ea]

I am looking for more information or members connected with the Adams family from Cwmavon.
I have recently been given new information, which has thrown me off the track a little, so I am hoping for some new insight! 
Albert Adams 1912-1996 Cwmavon
Francis Thomas Adams 1884-1959 Landore Swansea
???Francis William Adams 1859 North Newton Somerset???

[Girl Guide]

Welcome to Rootschat Emily 

If I have the right Francis, this appears to be his birth record from the GRO.  It is the only one in Wales in the right time frame.

ADAMS, FRANCIS  THOMAS CLEMENTS    CLEMENTS 
GRO Reference: 1884  S Quarter in SWANSEA  Volume 11A  Page 738

He is in the 1891 census with parents Lewis and Mary Ann and siblings Mary Jane, Frederick John and Annie E.  Lewis was born in 1859, Taunton, Somerset.  They are living at Craigytewgoed, Michaelstone Lower, Neath, Glamorganshire.

I will investigate further and see what else I can find.

[Girl Guide]

I've found Francis Thomas in the 1911 census living at New House Graig Tewgoed Cwm Avon Port Talbot, Michaelston Lower, Glamorganshire.

Wife is Mary Ann and two children Whynham Ewfel 1906 and Sarah Annie 1908.

This looks to be Whynham's birth record:-

ADAMS, WYNDHAM  EURFIL     DAVIES 
GRO Reference: 1905  S Quarter in NEATH  Volume 11A  Page 965

I don't know whether Eurfil is correct or Ewfel.

Albert's birth record:-

ADAMS, ALBERT       DAVIES 
GRO Reference: 1912  D Quarter in NEATH  Volume 11A  Page 1944

[Girl Guide]

The 1911 reveals 3 children born, one died which will be this one:-

ADAMS, CLIFFORD  LLOYD     DAVIES 
GRO Reference: 1906  J Quarter in NEATH  Volume 11A  Page 949

Died:-

ADAMS, CLIFFORD  LLOYD     0 
GRO Reference: 1906  J Quarter in NEATH  Volume 11A  Page 439

Looks like Francis & Mary's marriage but Francis using the name Thomas

Marriages Sep 1904
Adams    Thomas        Neath    11a   1413
Davies    Mary Ann        Neath

[Emily_ea]

Hi, so all the information is correct up until Francis William 1851 from Somerset, I cannot seem to find much else on him! I'll send over the information I was given on him from another member.

[Emily_ea]

Hi Emily, I have done a comparison of my tree to yours. I think you have
got a bit muddled concerning Francis William. He was not connected to
Thomas Adams and Ann Parrett, however they did have a son called
William Francis who married Louisa Merrick and had a son Frank. They
never moved away very far and lived in Chelvey / Backwell. Your Francis
seems to live in Swansea, but he isn't related to my Thomas Adams or
William Francis Adams. It is a bit confusing because the marriage
certificate for my William Francis has his name as Francis Wiliam, but
that has then been crossed out. You should be able to see this on my
tree, along with all the census records for every year from his birth
onwards.
Kind regards

[Emily_ea]

Hi Emily,
I think you have made a mistake with the marriage of Wiliam b.1851. The
marriage evidence you have attached is from a census in Wales, where
it shows him as married with son William Walter, however if you look at
his place of birth, it says South Newton, which bears no relation to
William Francis Adams born in Backwell to Thomas Adams and Ann
(Parrett). If you look at my Hibbs/Adams/Dyte tree which is public, there
is a marriage record attached showing him marrying Louisa Merrick. He
is living in Chelvey at the time, which is close to his father (same farm
area). He lives in Chelvey / Backwell/ Brockley area right up to 1911
census with Louisa.
So, to summarise -l think you either have the wrong parents for your
Willam, if it's the correct marriage, or the wrong marriage if it's definitely
Thomas and Ann's son you are trying to find, whichever way you are
researching.
The marriage certificate you have for Francis William and Margaret
Annie shows him as 21 in 1881 when he got married, which also doesn't
agree with his birth in 1851/2 - he would be 30. This appears to be
someone not linked to William Francis Thomas in my tree.

[Mabel Bagshawe]

What is your evidence that Francis Thomas is Albert's father? I can see two  Albert Adams born 1912 in Neath district and another one registered Q1 1913. Two have mother's maiden name Davies which would fit with Francis Thomas's other children from 1911 ( I can see an Albert was executor to FT Adams' will)

I guess the confusion comes between 1891 and 1901?

1891
Father Lewis b c1859 Taunton copperworker, mother Mary Ann b c1843 b Parkham, Bideford

1901
Father is Francis b c1860 North Newton, Somerset, greengrocer. Mother Annie b c1845 Parkham, Devon

1881 they are Francis William of North Newton (copperworker) and Margaret Annie of Parkham

[Girl Guide]

This is interesting.  Some first names changing for the 1901 census.

Living at Graig Y Tewgoed, Cwm Avon, Michaelstone Lower, Neath, Glamorganshire

Francis born 1860 North Newton, Somerset and Annie born 1855 Parkham, Devon.

Children are Mary J, Thomas, Frederick, Annie E and William Walter.

Francis gives his occupation as Green Grocer.  In the 1891 census as Lewis occupation given as copper worker.