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Re: Christian name on a 1890’s death certificate
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 07 February 23 10:13 GMT (UK) »
Do consider that details on any certificate are only as good as the knowledge of the person providing them. It is not unusual for death certificates to have wrongly remembered names.
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Re: Christian name on a 1890’s death certificate
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 07 February 23 10:18 GMT (UK) »
Bear in mind Mary was born c1847 so her father Joseph may have been a widower when he married Elizabeth in 1850

My Ancest* is playing up but Joseph seems to appear with Elizabeth in 1851/61 census as CRUMLY, was his occupation Carpenter, born c 1823

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Re: Christian name on a 1890’s death certificate
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 07 February 23 10:33 GMT (UK) »
Elizabeth CRUMLY died 1st April 1882 at 25 Staffa Place Rothsay, married to Joseph CRUMLY. Her father Thomas Fitzsimmons occupation Weaver Deceased, mother Mary Fitzsimmons nee' Gallacher.

Probable death of Joseph

CRUMLY
JOSEPH
62
 mother's maiden name MCCORMACK

1891
282 / 5 / 255
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Re: Christian name on a 1890’s death certificate
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 07 February 23 10:35 GMT (UK) »
I’ve only just found out Mary Crumleys parents and can’t seem to find much out about them yet. Yes maybe he moved to Scotland and remarried Elizabeth. I can’t find Mary on a census with her parents. I only know that it says he was a joiner.

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Re: Christian name on a 1890’s death certificate
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 07 February 23 10:37 GMT (UK) »
Have you found a marriage for Mary to John Stewart? Not seeing any in Scotland or Ireland at moment.
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Re: Christian name on a 1890’s death certificate
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 07 February 23 11:20 GMT (UK) »
No. She had two sons to him. One called John William Stewart born 1859 and one called Thomas Charles Stewart born 1863. In 1861 that was a paternity case against John the father for his son John William because the birth certificate said it was an illegitimate birth but on Thomas’s certificate it said they married in October 1856 in Edinburgh. The paternity case also mentioned Mary was a widow and her married name was Kessen or Kesser but again I’ve found no record of these marriages.

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Re: Christian name on a 1890’s death certificate
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 07 February 23 11:39 GMT (UK) »
And her son Charles Stewart signed the death certificate so I’m not sure if was Thomas Charles or another son

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Re: Christian name on a 1890’s death certificate
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 07 February 23 16:32 GMT (UK) »
Sinton, trying to get my head around this family,is the below correct.

Joseph Crumly c1827-1891 married Elizabeth Fitzsimmons c 1828-1882 28.4.1850 Hamilton St Mary.

Have you any idea who registered Joseph's death in 1891 as they seemingly knew his mother's maiden name.

Known Children:
1. Thomas 1851-1930 became a Roman Catholic Priest
2. Catherine 1853-1863
3. James 1855-1907 married Isabella Gribbin 1879, James died in Belfast

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4. Mary born c1847 died 1890 aged 43 as Mary Stewart. Married John Stewart !!!!

2 children

1. John William Stewart born 1.8.1859, mmn Crumley Married Sarah McKinney 31.12.1883.         
    John records his mother as Mary Stewart ms Crombley    John died 24.4.1915

2. Thomas Charles Stewart born 4.10.1863 mmn CUMLEY. This son possibly registered his mother's death as her husband was deceased by this time.

Have you found either Mary as Crumly on 1851 census, or as Stewart from 1861 until her death in 1890.

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Re: Christian name on a 1890’s death certificate
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 07 February 23 17:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi John thanks for your reply. That’s very interesting information about Joseph’s other children. I didn’t know this. I’m unable to find Mary on any census, even under her previous married name of Kesser or Kessen or something similar. I’ve attached Joseph’s death certificate
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