1871 Census - Meaning of Barrister's Son

[mckha489]

Yes Jorose.  I’ve been looking at that too and thinking the same. 

[cozendon]

Dear Neale1961, mckha489 and jorose,

This is wonderful information, thankyou. I very much appreciate it.

The DNA Connection - are you suggesting I take a DNA Test and this may tell me if I have living relatives linked to Emily Garnett or Charles Ryalls? Garnett is the family name so to have a possible new name, Ryall, is incredibly exciting, as are, of course, the directions this will send me in.

What each of you has shared here is truly brilliant. Many years ago, for a while, I was active on a military history forum so know the value of the contributions you have made and I genuinely thank you for it.

I am now going to see if I can play catch up and locate some of the information you have identified.

Kind regards,

Steve

[Neale1961]

Charles Wager Ryalls was working as a barrister at the time of the 1871 census.
He doesn't appear to have married until 1881.

[cozendon]

Hi,

Many thanks for this. So, Charles Wager Ryalls is, possibly, my great, great, great grandfather. A quick search on Google brings up his listing under 'Men at the Bar' (1885). It sadly seems his wife died soon after the marriage. He is also, possibly, the editor of a few volumes of the 'Transactions of the National Association for the Promotion of Social Science'. This is interesting to me because a number of us have gone in to the work the association seems to have promoted.

Reading your last post, it has only just occurred to me that his, possibly, illegitimate son was named after him (assumption, Emily could have had another Charles in her life), as was my great grandfather. Charles is now my uncle's middle name.

There is lots to process here (and likely more questions). I now have copies of the 1872 baptism and 1889 marriage so thankyou all.

Many thanks,

Steve

[bbart]

One of the death notices for Charles Wager Ryalls mentions his father was barrister John Ryalls.

The attached is a snip out of John's (very long) obituary.
( from the Sheffield Daily Telegraph 09 May 1888)

The names might help sort out if this is the Charles you are looking for.

[cozendon]

Hi bbart,

Thankyou for this. John Ryalls would, if the above is correct, be my great, great, great, great grandfather.

The adopted subject of the original post, Charles Garnett, named his first son Charles and his second son John. Quite a coincidence if, as is being suggested, his biological father was Charles and his biological grandfather was John. He named his first daughter Ellen, as was his adopted mother's name.

Many thanks,

Steve

[mckha489]

I wonder if you could possibly be so lucky to have Charles Garnett mentioned in Charles Wager Ryall's will? :-) 1901

[cozendon]

Hi mckha489,

I can see this - England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995.

This mentions:

'to Leonard Atkinson Ryalls gentleman and Emily Ada Ryalls spinster Effects £3696 11s. 6d.'

Would the will itself name anyone else? Unlike, I assume Charles Ryalls, I am no expert on probate. Are these just the executioners of the will or the recipients of the effects?

Many thanks,

Steve

[KGarrad]

The names mentioned on the Probate Calendar are those of the Executors
I.E. Probate granted to Leonard and Emily.

The will itself (a snip at £1.50) may mention other names.