François Henri Eiselé b. Paris 1868

[apaulin]

Hello,

My great great grandfather Franz Carl Eisele had 5 children with Anna Henriette Louise Joly as follow:

Augustine Eisele, b 10 April 1861 at Rue des Cascades, Paris

Anna Eisele, b 12 Nov 1863 at Rue des Amandier, Menilmontant, Paris

Bertha Eisele, b. 5 Dec 1865 at Chemin neuf de Menilmontant, Paris

Francis Henri Eisele, b. 1868 in Paris

Felix C. Eisele, b. 27 Mar 1874 in Bow, London

I have not been able to locate the birth record for Francis in Paris. The family had moved to London sometime between 1868 and 1871 and the 1871 census records him as Henri, aged 3, born in Paris. Francis/Henri/Harry changed his name regularly in the records since.

I see that MyHeritage has a record for a François Henri Eiselé born in France in 1868, but I cannot access the record to confirm if this is his birth.

I would be very happy if someone is able to locate the birth record, and if so, let me have a copy of the entry with a translation of the contents.

Many thanks, Apaulin

[manukarik]

Page 16 - Entry 551

https://www.rootschat.com/links/01s4m/

Not at home at mo. If no one else has translated the birth certificate, I will do so tomorrow evening. Not easy to do from my mobile.

[apaulin]

Thank you very much for the link. I found the entry on page 16, no. 551 and it certainly looks like the correct birth record.

I would very much like a translation of the record.

Once again, many thanks,

Apaulin

[manukarik]

Struggling to read properly on my mobile.

Key info that I can make out is:
François Henri Otto Eiselé born on 7 February 1868, son of François Charles Eiselé and of Anna Henriette Louise Joly. Both parents were fund managers / portfolio managers.

Address = 37 rue de l’Orillon, Paris (11th arrondissement)

Interesting to see that Franz Carl has been ‘frenchified’ to François Charles.

[apaulin]

Thank you very much for the information.

If at some stage I could get a full translation, I would be most grateful.

The previous births showed that the parents were unmarried. Also I think that the occupation may be pocket book/portfolio maker.

I note that one of the witnesses was Louis Emmanuel Felix Joly, which must be related to Anna Joly. I would love to know his details so that I can find the relationship, etc.

Thank you, Apaulin

[manukarik]

I wondered about wallet maker but that is not the definition in the dictionary! Just home now so will look at translating...

[apaulin]

Thank you

[manukarik]

TRANSCRIPTION
Eiselé    551
François Henri Otto

Du neuf février mil huit cent soixante-huit à onze heures et demie du matin acte de naissance de François Henri Otto Eiselé, à nous présentée et déclarée être du sexe masculin, né avant-hier à quatre heures du soir au domicile de son père et mère, à Paris, rue de l’Orillon N^o 37, XI Mairie, fils de François Charles Eiselé, Portefeuilliste, âgé de trente-six ans, et de Anna Henriette Louise Joly, Portefeuilliste, âgé de trente un ans, non mariés. Cette déclaration est faite par le père qui nommait l’enfant, en présence de Louis Emmanuel Félix Joly, employé, âgé de trente ans, demeurant à Paris, rue St Louis N^o 22, et de Otto Pittmann, Portefeuilliste, âgé de vingt-huit ans, demeurant à Paris, rue des Vieux Augustins N^o 20 ; Lesquels ont signé avec nous, Officier de l’Etat Civil, lecture faite.


TRANSLATION
Eiselé    551
François Henri Otto

On the ninth of February eighteen hundred and sixty-eight at half past eleven in the morning, birth certificate of François Henri Otto Eiselé, presented to us and declared to be of the male sex, born the day before yesterday at four o'clock in the evening at the home of his father and mother, in Paris, N^o 37, rue de l'Orillon, 11th Arrondissement Town Hall, son of François Charles Eiselé, Portfolio Manager, aged thirty-six years, and Anna Henriette Louise Joly, Portfolio Manager, aged thirty-one years, unmarried. This declaration was made by the father, who named the child, in the presence of Louis Emmanuel Félix Joly, employee, aged thirty years, residing in Paris, N^o 22, rue St Louis, and Otto Pittmann, Portfolio Manager, aged twenty-eight years, residing in Paris, N^o 20, rue des Vieux Augustins; who have signed with us, Registrar, after reading.


With regards to your earlier comment - you are right portefeuille is a wallet, but can also be a portfolio. I can find no mention of portefeuilliste meaning a wallet maker, only a portfolio or fund manager. I have checked in lists of old french occupation lists too. That's not to say that you are wrong - you will no doubt have more knowledge of what your family did. I note in the English 1871 Francis is shown as a pocketbook maker, so feel free to change the translation! I would have expected this to be fabricant de portefeuille in French.

[apaulin]

Thank you so much Manukarik, much appreciated.

When the French family came over to London they all became furriers and my father also was a furrier for 30 years.

Apaulin