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Joseph Menere/Menarey
« on: Saturday 04 March 23 02:36 GMT (UK) »
Hi Everyone.

I’m descended from Joseph Menere/Menarey through his son, William, and his grand-daughter, Marion Frances McDonald (nee Menere).

Going further back than 1809 is a problem because I’ve encountered two Joseph Meneres - both born in 1770 in France but one (Joseph Francoise Manere Fils) buried in France and the other (Joseph Menere/Menarey) who is buried in Marylebone. After a great deal of research, I’ve discovered that it is Joseph Menarey who was my ancestor. Basic details:

Joseph Menere/Menarey:

1770: Born in France (Source: familysearch).

1792: Married Ellen Titterington on 17 December. (Source: Ancestry tree).

1809: Married to Sarah Prickett on 14 April 1809 in St. George’s C of E Hanover Square, Westminster, Middlesex, London by Banns. Joseph’s name is recorded as Menarey, which I believe is an Irish Huguenot surname. (Source: Bishops’ Transcripts).

1847: Buried on 3 June 1847 at All Souls Cemetery, Marylebone England. (Source: Death certificate obtained from GRO).

My late mother often used to talk about an ancestor whom she named Joseph Menere who had apparently had to flee France during the Revolution – supposedly because he was Jewish. I think that this is plausible because the belief that he fled France has also been mentioned in one of the Ancestry sites I’ve seen, although nothing is mentioned about whether or not he was Jewish. There might well have been other issues that convinced him to leave France.

I have searched the Marylebone Bishops’ Transcripts, and I’ve also looked at the Dordogne, Church and Civil Registration, 1540 – 1896; the Archives departementales de la Dordogne; the Archives Departemenales du Périgord; and the Identity Cards, 1792 – 1795 on Family Search. My problem is separating Joseph Menarey from Joseph Francoise Manere Fils. Both were born in 1770, but Joseph Francoise Manere Fils died in France in the 1850s. It’s really difficult to find the correct information.

If there is anyone who can give me some guidance on finding the correct ancestor I’ve really appreciate it.

Thanks,
             Peter

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Re: Joseph Menere/Menarey
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 04 March 23 14:45 GMT (UK) »


1792: Married Ellen Titterington on 17 December. (Source: Ancestry tree).

1809: Married to Sarah Prickett on 14 April 1809 in St. George’s C of E Hanover Square, Westminster, Middlesex, London by Banns. Joseph’s name is recorded as Menarey, which I believe is an Irish Huguenot surname. (Source: Bishops’ Transcripts).


The 1792 marriage took place at St Nicholas, Liverpool. His occupation was a Labourer. Image on FindMyPast.

The image for the 1809 at S.G.H.S marriage shows Menarey which is underlined and has Menere written above it
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Re: Joseph Menere/Menarey
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 04 March 23 20:42 GMT (UK) »
Hi Rosie.

That's puzzling because the original in the Bishops' Transcripts (see screenshot below) does not have that crossing out and the name written above it. Perhaps they are different sources for the same wedding? I'm open to suggestions here,

Thanks,
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Re: Joseph Menere/Menarey
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 04 March 23 20:59 GMT (UK) »
BT's are a 'copy' of the register and do not always have the same information as the original register. 

Ancestry has the marriage register image
Westminster, London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1935
Joseph Menere Menarey
Marriage   14 Apr 1809 London, England

ADDED As neither party signed the register the clergy would possibly be spelling the name as they heard it
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Re: Joseph Menere/Menarey
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 04 March 23 22:25 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Rosie. I was unaware of that. That's a great help.

Peter

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Re: Joseph Menere/Menarey
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 05 March 23 06:42 GMT (UK) »
Hiya Peter - have you ever heard of a Sandy Sinclair ? a lady
she has this tree - of course not all trees are correct
Joseph Menere
Born in 1770 - France
Deceased 30 May 1847 - St. Marylebone, Middlesex, England, aged 77 years old
 
Spouses and children
With Sarah Prickett 1779-1877 with
M William James Menere 1809-1861
F Mary Menere
F Sarah Menere
M Edward Joseph Menere 1820-1867
 
note - she has all the children as Menere ??
www.geneanet.org
menere - joseph
france
1770
search
the last result of 6
 :)
I would say Sandy is a descendant as she has death years for
Joseph
Sarah
William
Edward
looks like Sandys line is through the Prickett side as she also has this info
.......................
Sarah Prickett
Born 9 May 1779 - Wendover, Buckinghamshire, England
Deceased 9 February 1877 - Amersham, Buckinghamshire, England, aged 97 years old

good luck
oakes,liverpool..neston..backford..poulton cum spittal(bebington)middlewich,cheshire......   sacht,helgoland  .......merrick,herefordshire adams,shropshire...tipping..ellis..  jones,garston,liverpool..hartley.dunham massey..barker. salford

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Re: Joseph Menere/Menarey
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 05 March 23 06:55 GMT (UK) »
William James Menere
Born 2 August 1809 - Grosvenor Square, London, UK
Deceased 13 September 1861 - Kellor Plains, Melbourne ,Vic,Australia -  aged 52 years old
 
Parents
Joseph Menere 1770-1847
Sarah Prickett 1779-1877
 
Spouses and children
With Matilda Frances Mead 1821-1890 with
M Henry William Menere 1844-1891
F Elizabeth Marie Menere 1846-1905
F Frances Matilda Menere 1848-1898
M George Edward Menere 1849-1885
F Louisa Sarah Menere 1850-1926
F Eveline Emma Menere 1851-1931
M Frank Charles Menere 1855-1856
F Marion Frances Menere 1858-1954
........................................................................
so - are you in Australia ??
oakes,liverpool..neston..backford..poulton cum spittal(bebington)middlewich,cheshire......   sacht,helgoland  .......merrick,herefordshire adams,shropshire...tipping..ellis..  jones,garston,liverpool..hartley.dunham massey..barker. salford

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Re: Joseph Menere/Menarey
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 05 March 23 10:25 GMT (UK) »
Hi garstonite.

That's fantastic! The information I have closely matches Sandy Sinclair's information. I'll try to make contact.

You are a champion!

Peter

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Re: Joseph Menere/Menarey
« Reply #8 on: Monday 06 March 23 07:40 GMT (UK) »
the marriage of Marions eldest brother

Year :   1867
Registration number :   00939
Surname :   BENSON
First names :   Evelina
Spouse surname :   MENERE
Spouse first names :   Henry William
marriage place :   Melbourne
oakes,liverpool..neston..backford..poulton cum spittal(bebington)middlewich,cheshire......   sacht,helgoland  .......merrick,herefordshire adams,shropshire...tipping..ellis..  jones,garston,liverpool..hartley.dunham massey..barker. salford