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Are the Two Martin Winds?
« on: Monday 13 March 23 15:58 GMT (UK) »
Hi Folks, I am looking at another Wind family and notes something. It appears that there are two birth dates that make it unlikely that they are from the same mother at least, or are there two Martin Winn fathers. There are two places of abode, so likely two families. But its the first group from Lumley that is a bit odd, There is a 15 Jan and a 15 Jun 1699 pair that seem to clash?

Winde Sarah, Baptisms, Chester-le-Street St. Mary and St. Cuthbert, 5 Apr 1696, father   Martin Winde, Lumley Park
Wind Mary, England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975, Chester Le Street, Durham, England, 15 Jun 1699, father Martin Wind   Lumley Park
Wind Martin, Baptisms, Chester-le-Street St. Mary and St. Cuthbert, 15 Jan 1699, father    Martin Wind   Lumley Park

Wind Richard, Baptisms Chester-le-Street St. Mary and St. Cuthbert, 26 Oct 1701, father    Martin Wind   Lumley Park
Wind Thomas, Baptisms Chester-le-Street St. Mary and St. Cuthbert, 22 Jul 1705, father    Martin Wind   Woodstone House
Wind Margaret, Baptisms   Chester-le-Street St. Mary and St. Cuthbert   29 Jul 1709, father   Martin Wind   Woodstone House
Wind William, Baptisms Chester-le-Street St. Mary and St. Cuthbert, 29 Jul 1709, father    Martin Wind   Woodstone House

Is this likely to be a transcription error or is it possible there are two families in The Lumley Group. The records are from DRO and FindMyPast. There is already heaps of confusion and incorrect trees around so I am being a bit cautious with these.  Any ideas or sources that may help ?

EDIT- I had a duplicated entry for Martin, now deleted.
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Re: Are the Two Martin Winds?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 13 March 23 16:38 GMT (UK) »
Not sure what you mean by "clash"
What am I missing?
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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Re: Are the Two Martin Winds?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 13 March 23 16:49 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jim.
I mean with these two records, Wind Mary, England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975, Chester Le Street, Durham, England, 15 Jun 1699, father Martin Wind   Lumley Park
Wind Martin, Baptisms, Chester-le-Street St. Mary and St. Cuthbert, 15 Jan 1699, father    Martin Wind   Lumley Park

The baptisms are only 6 months apart. I guess its possible that one child (Mary), was baptised late but it seems strange. Also sorry I duplicated a record - I deleted it now, I had Martin twice.
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Re: Are the Two Martin Winds?
« Reply #3 on: Monday 13 March 23 17:01 GMT (UK) »
Apologies if you already know but the UK was still
using the Julian calendar at this time which had the year ending 25th. March.
So June 1699 came before Jan. 1699 meaning the events were 7 months apart.
Not that unusual if the June Baptism was late.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/


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Re: Are the Two Martin Winds?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 13 March 23 21:57 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jim. I was semi aware of the Julian calendar, but in most DRO or GENUKI they are marked when it's an issue. Sorry, i don't understand your explanation. A short delay in baptism i get, but it would seem like maybe up to 3 months, I've never come across that., Even with the mixed up Winds. I think there are two families, one Lumley, the other Woods tone house..... But I'm not sure. Then the baptism dates really threw me. Thanks for inputing tho.
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Re: Are the Two Martin Winds?
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 14 March 23 06:56 GMT (UK) »
Not unusual if dad was an Agricultural Labourer and was working on a farm away from home - baptism wasn't performed until dad come home from work ??  a possible explanation - or - he was Merchant Navy ??
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1PRFC_enGB788GB788&q=is+durham+by+the+coastline&spell=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjChsa169r9AhXKTEEAHTrpA90QBSgAegQICBAB&biw=1366&bih=657&dpr=1
oakes,liverpool..neston..backford..poulton cum spittal(bebington)middlewich,cheshire......   sacht,helgoland  .......merrick,herefordshire adams,shropshire...tipping..ellis..  jones,garston,liverpool..hartley.dunham massey..barker. salford

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Re: Are the Two Martin Winds?
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 14 March 23 07:21 GMT (UK) »
Hi garstonite, ahh, I see. Im not 199% sure of these families occupations. Many were miners. At least one other was a landed yeoman (from a will). Then I let the baptism stand for now and try and sort out the Lumley-Woodstone issue. Thanks
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Re: Are the Two Martin Winds?
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 14 March 23 07:37 GMT (UK) »
were you aware there was a Lumley Castle ??   www.geneanet.org
look at this mans tree and birth place AND FATHER - 1st Earl of Scarborough ?
https://gw.geneanet.org/eikschiller?n=lumley&oc=&p=henry
oakes,liverpool..neston..backford..poulton cum spittal(bebington)middlewich,cheshire......   sacht,helgoland  .......merrick,herefordshire adams,shropshire...tipping..ellis..  jones,garston,liverpool..hartley.dunham massey..barker. salford

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Re: Are the Two Martin Winds?
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 14 March 23 14:05 GMT (UK) »
Hi garstonite. Yes, but i think the families are based around Lumley Park and Lumley Thicks. Woodstone is close by to Little Lumley. I have never seen a Wind associated with the castle, yet.
Thanks for the links. Anything around this area will help sift and sort them. I need to look at some old maps i think.
Winn, Wynne, Wynd, Wind, Winde