Joseph Tissott was a Frenchman

[Seelife]

Hi Folks, I have been digging around, not getting far. But this info just turned up.
A record in FindMyPast shows a Joseph M Tissot as a prisoner of war in 1805.
Tissot, Joseph M, 1805, Prisoners Of War 1715-1945, England
The details appear to be this Joseph was French and was involved in the Napoleonic conflict and was brought to Portsmouth, Name of ship or camp received from - Temeraire, Document details    Portsmouth. French prisoners of war, 1803-1805  . There is a second record of a Joesph M Tissot, but from a ship Chatham or Norman Cross. The document notes says possible duplicate.
There is a THIRD record of a Joseph Tiket, prisoner in 1813, this sounds less likely.

From the first two, it would make Joseph about 46 years old at the time, that does seem old, and its possible that its a different Tissot.
 
Joseph according to Marriage records, married Rosanna parker in 1818, Staffordshire.
I was never aware of a middle name/initial of "M", but this does sound a little like my guy - maybe.
Is there any way of finding out about what happened to Prisoners of War at that time.
Regards all.

[joger]

Do you think that " name of the ship or camp received from" means name of the french ship he was working on or name of the english ship that captured him?

In the first case he may have come from the 8th or 9th of this list.


16 navires de la marine de guerre française ont été baptisés Téméraire ou Le Téméraire. Certains d'entre eux ont été capturés par la Royal Navy britannique et ont servi sous le nom de HMS Temeraire.

    Téméraire, un vaisseau de ligne de 54 canons (1669-1694). Construit à Brest en 1669 sous le nom de Ardent, lancé en 1671 comme Téméraire. Il prend part à la campagne de Sicile (1676), à la Bataille du cap Béveziers (10 juillet 1690) et celle de Barfleur (29 mai 1692). Il participe également à la campagne de Lagos (1693). Il est coulé par le HMS Montagu le 9 décembre 1694.
    Téméraire, un vaisseau de ligne de 50 canons (1695-1718).
    Téméraire, un navire de la Compagnie des Indes Occidentales (1726-1737).
    Téméraire, un vaisseau de ligne de 74 canons (1748-1794). Capturé par le HMS Warspite à la bataille de Lagos le 19 août 1759, il devient le HMS Temeraire .
    Téméraire, une corvette garde-côte, à borde de laquelle le vicomte de Grenier combattit victorieusement une frégate anglaise de 30 canons aux Antilles, lors de la guerre de Sept Ans.
    Téméraire, un cotre (1780-1784).
    Téméraire, un vaisseau de ligne (1782-1801), construit selon le plan Borda-Sané, il donne son nom à la classe de vaisseau de 74 lancés par les chantiers navals français jusqu'en 1815. premier de la classe Téméraire. Il prend part à la bataille du 13 prairial an II.
    Téméraire, un cotre lancé sous le nom de Révolutionnaire et renommé en 1795. Capturé par le HMS Dido le 13 avril 1795, il est repris le mois suivant par les Français, avant d'être à nouveau capturé le 9 juillet 1795.
    Téméraire, un aviso corsaire (1803-1811).
    Téméraire, un navire corsaire lancé en 1809, capturé par le HMS Hind le 29 septembre 1809.
    Téméraire, un schooner corsaire lancé en 1810, capturé par le HMS Fawn le 11 octobre 1810.
    Téméraire, un navire corsaire lancé en 1812.
    Téméraire, un torpilleur en service entre 1889 et 1911.
    Téméraire, un torpilleur en service entre 1911 et 1936, construit pour le compte de l'Argentine sous le nom de San Juan, il est réquisitionné pour la Première Guerre mondiale et renommé Téméraire en 1914.
    Téméraire, un torpilleur lancé en 1944. Bombardé, il coule à Toulon en août 1944.
    Le Téméraire, second sous-marin nucléaire lanceur d'engins de la classe Le Triomphant.





In the second case he may have been captured by the HMS Temeraire at Trafalgar battle in 1805

[joger]

There is a second record of a Joesph M Tissot, but from a ship Chatham or Norman Cross. The document notes says possible duplicate.

From the first two, it would make Joseph about 46 years old at the time, that does seem old, and its possible that its a different Tissot.
 

Chatham was a prison ship ( I think) and Norman cross a prison, the  2 Tissots may be the same prisonner

I also found this :
https://www.oliviercadic.com/memoire-histoire/hommage-des-autorites-britanniques-de-chatham-aux-soldats-francais-disparus/

[Seelife]

Hi Joger.
Interesting, i will look into this. I was told this about the battles Temperaire had...
Temeraire took on the French warships “Redoubtable” and “Fougueux” and took aboard a number of French prisoners from those ships. Also some French prisoners were transferred across from the ship “Euryalus”
And you are right about the prisons. Also Temperaire was badly damaged a d went to Plymouth and became a prison ship.
Thanks for the inputs

[Seelife]

Hi Joger, of the two records, the first, 1795 would be the more interesting. The Joseph that is refered to 1805 ends up in Norman Cross, the notorious prison. While it's possible, the dates become iffy. To show a Joseph on a 1795 list would be great.

A Joseph was transfered from L'Aigle (the eagle) in the Trafalgar battle and i think he is the one that goes to Chatham then Norman. I don't see him as released.

The image of prisoners shows a D for deceased, deported etc so you cannot tell if Joseph died there or was released. Either way, he "left".
The search goes on.....

[joger]

Thanks, I ´ll try to search more about the 1795 Temeraire

[Seelife]

Joger, very kind of you to assist, much appreciated.

[joger]

I have posted on a french forum where specialists of sailors , ships etc.. answer . They agree that it is important to know if the ship where Joseph M Tissot came from is a french Temeraire or the Hms Temeraire . can you get more precise data frpm Findmy past?

[Seelife]

Hi Joger,
Edit/Add - I forgot, thank you so much for your efforts, I really appreciate you trying to help!!

The Findmypast records refer to a Joseph M Tissot. The images appear to state that Joseph was taken at Cape trafalgar from the french ship L'Aigle Oct 1805, prsoner number 0758.
However, it appears that there is another Joseph ended up in a Scotish prison, he was aged 35 in 1811 from a ship Esk Mills.
I believe both of these not to be the right Joseph. The one from L'Aigle appears to have been deported or died as there is a "D" in the Deported Died column of the image. The 35 year old is too young I think.

The record you refer to of 1795, does not seem to be on Findmypast. But if that was "our" Joseph it would be about right, if he was released into England later. The Joseph in question ended up in Staffordshire (Brewood) and married a Rosanna Parker in 1818 in Staffordshire. Also, as far as I can see, our Joseph never had a "M" middle name initial that I have seen.

I have seen another Joseph marie, Dutch that was in Jakarta and returned to Holland, again not our guy. I will look more.